| Author | Comment |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 5 Mar 2004
13:19 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | I couldn't help but notice something in the author statistics lately. It seems as though Sam Heald, creator of Super Mario Bros. v1.2 for TI-83+ ASM, will soon take replace Hitoshi Koizumi as the new #1 downloaded author of all time on CG. I hope that you guys at least mention this in an upcoming news article, as it seems a very prestigious honor. By the way, does anyone find it a little bit odd that the number one author has only one file and manages to get over 200 downloads/day? Mario was surely a great game, but is it great enough to completely eclipse collections of other authors' games? |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 5 Mar 2004
17:02 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Mario is probably the most commenly asked for game next to Zelda for the calculators. No matter which platform. |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 5 Mar 2004
17:40 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | but unlike the Zelda games, the mario games are pretty good clones.
I never cared for Hitoshi Koizumi's programming. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 5 Mar 2004
18:54 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I was going to mention that after the overtake happened. Mario happened to hit during the 'fall flood' of downloading, and that explains the 200+ downloads/day. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 7 Mar 2004
15:24 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | true about the back to school thing, though it still gets a fair bit of dls.
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 10 Mar 2004
19:45 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Hitoshi Koizumi just has alot of downloads cause he used popular names. Heck, I was a sucker too and downloaded em . .I think we all did. :img08: |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 11 Mar 2004
03:25 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | true, but who doesn't use the name of a popular video game to get downloads. very few authors create original game ideas. most are too busy thinking of how to get big by re-creating their favorite video games (which usually don't turn out too good). by the way, the take-over day should be approaching this week. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 12 Mar 2004
07:56 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Even though I didn't like Hisotshi's games, he did a pretty awesome job for a basic programmer. Speaking of popular names, who'd want to create a game that's not popular? I do however agree with you about many crappy games that use peopular names. I guess people will just have to find out for themselves if the game is good or not. Of course, you can always some here and give it a nice rating then :).
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 12 Mar 2004
11:49 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I never did download any of his games. I was never intrigued by the names/descriptions/screenshots... |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 14 Mar 2004
16:28 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | all these people are saying that they didn't like his programs and/or they weren't very good. if that was the case, then how did he get 40,000+ downloads (and still growing)? |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 14 Mar 2004
18:36 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | my theory is this:
If you notice his file submission dates, their very earily. So that means his games hit the big download season (when CG had the first TI link.
This extra download season, plus the fact there were few other tiles on this site, gave his files large downloads. |
Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 14 Mar 2004
18:39 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | first off, i think hitoshi's games are actually pretty good (definitely good for basic).
but PhilosopherEd, downloads have nothing to do with how good a program is. You can have a name like "Zelda" and an awesome description and that's all the majority of "average users" will see before they press the download button.
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PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
03:46 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | is it just me, or does that seem to be unfair to the people who don't create "zelda" games? |
ShockTroop
Goliath
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
04:51 GMT
Total Posts: 170 | I downloaded almost all of Koizumi's games, except I only downloaded one StarDust, the very first I believe. They weren't too bad, but I never kept them on my calc long because they're so freakin' BIG! Plus there are a billion files to clean out when I get rid of it. Well, that's BASIC for ya. I think there were a few bugs, too. |
Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
11:58 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | well, depending on your definition of "unfair," sure it could be.
but it's not like i or anyone else has any control over who downloads what, so don't worry about it.
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
15:25 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Well, I gotta give credit where credit is due: He fooled just about everyone here. I think he idea was not only brilliant-but the fact that he got so many downloads is amazing.
He fooled me, and I'm proud to say that. He's just one smart guy. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
15:34 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | I think Hitoshi's games are pretty good, at least if you remember they're made in Basic. Names he chose aren't all that popular and download wise, majority of our visitors have a TI-83 series calc, so 83 series of games get most dls. I don't think there is anything unfair about his games. Hitoshi's descriptions were fairly accurate and he still maintained a high quality of his games if you think in Basic terms. Also, he didn't do these games just for dls. He's been making Basic rpg's for a long time before he posted any and in fact, he had made over 30 different ones and only posted his best creations. If you look at ticalc you can see that even crap of crap can have many dls provided its given a good name, this isn't the case here since we had his games almost ever since we've openned and Hitoshi was one of the earliest authors we got. I think he did a good job and you guys are somewhat unfair to him.
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PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
18:07 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | don't get me wrong, z. the only thing i have against him is the fact that he used the name of a popular game. there seems to be a split decision in this forum on who likes his games and who does not. my point from the beginning has been that hitoshi somehow managed to get 40,000 downloads from BASIC games (not fast, ASM games). although good quality for BASIC games, they definately should not be amongst the ranks of such games as sam heald's super mario and other such mega-games.
btw, poll idea!
what do you think of hitoshi's games?
a) never downloaded them
b) the descriptions sound interesting
c) the descriptions are misleading
d) some of the best BASIC games out there
e) who needs BASIC?
f) they are about average, i suppose |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
20:05 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, that's true what you said about Basic games. Though, since most folks who come here are new to the calc scene they often don't know the difference between the asm and basic. They probably look at screens and yes, they look good and thus they go ahead and dl it...
Speaking of your poll, I'd like to hear other people's opinion about it before I post it. I personally don't think we should post a poll aimed at any of our authors. Besides, reviews/rating pretty much answer your poll question.
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Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 15 Mar 2004
20:08 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | i agree with you Z.... definitely do not have a poll about any author.
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PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 16 Mar 2004
03:29 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | i meant it as a joke, actually. i agree with your reasoning. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 16 Mar 2004
13:10 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Okay, good. We tend to pick polls whose results would be interesting to know and useful at the same time (like *most* of our old polls). Of course we're always open to your ideas, so feel free to post them in our Poll forum under "suggestions" thread.
EDIT: Oh, speaking of a new poll ideas. I thought maybe we should make a poll about our current Ads. Although we don't get that many clicks on them, I myself actually found them useful (I bought a game). So, I'm curious what others have in mind. Feel free to suggest any possible poll answers, but next poll question will most likely be something like this: What do you think about our Ad program?. Thanks.
[Edited by zkostik on 17-Mar-04 01:16]
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 17 Mar 2004
16:51 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | I agree with you zkostik-his games are very good for BASIC and entertained me. Of course IO never expected a Mario-type game, but I really liked the graphics.
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PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
07:31 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | Now that Heald is within 100 downloads of the top downloaded author, I hope someone is writing up an article. Calculator programming is highly under-rated by many. If an article is not written, it shows that nobody really cares about the games that we download. As a result, many noobs may be discouraged from making their own games. After all, if the number one author gets no recognition, then why should they even try? |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
09:33 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I dunno how long it will take to cover those 100 downloads... |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
11:04 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | "After all, if the number one author gets no recognition, then why should they even try?"
sam heald is busy with college in any case. |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
14:38 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | that's not my point. my point is that if a noob comes to the site and sees that the number one downloaded author doesn't even get much credit for his work, then they (the noobs) will have little inspiration to make their own programs. eventually, little things like this will lead to the destruction of calcgames.org, ticalc.org, and the entire TI community.
and allyn, it shouldn't be more than a day or two before mario covers the 100 download spread. i think it would be pretty cool to make the final download that changes it all up though. i hope i could have the chance to do that. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
17:12 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | You have to keep in mind both authors are recieving downloads, so 100 is a quite large number of DL's to cover. I predict it will happen in the next 7 days. |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
19:42 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | sam heald probably gets about 150-175 downloads per day. koizumi gets somewhere around 60-70 downloads per day. at that rate, sam heald is going to get a margin of about 90 more downloads per day. therefore, it should not be more than a day or two before he is the top downloaded author. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
19:45 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Nope, because I've been watching it as well, the actual gain rate is maximum 20 DL's a day. In fact, since the last time I checked, HK gained 5 more DL's over SH.
[Edited by allynfolksjr on 22-Mar-04 04:46] |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
19:52 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | if you are correct, which i don't doubt, it means that sam heald is not getting anywhere near his 191.---- downloads/day that the stat site says he does. most likely, the september downloading craze bumped him up way over the 200 mark and now it is slowly declining due to the averaging system. btw, does anyone else think it is a little bit unfair that authors release all of their games in the fall and get 50x the downloads even though the games may suck? as i have went through the archives, i noticed that some games aren't very good, are relatively new, and have kicked some serious butt in the downloads category. i say this is unfair not for me as an author, but for me as a one-time noob who was just trying to see what was out there. perhaps in the fall, some of the new games should not be featured and just try to put some emphasis on the highly rated games. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 21 Mar 2004
21:01 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Alright, that sounds like a good news idea. Besides, there isn't any news right now anyway, so that'd at least fill in the gap. I do however agree that it's worth to mention Sam's achievement, though I doubt it'll actually inspire others to create games. Btw, our downloads slowed down recently but that's normal due to the season. We now get at most 1500 dls/day and at peak times we were getting tens of thousands. Anyway, if you guys have any specific things mentioned on that news article please post them here.
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 22 Mar 2004
09:01 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | yes, over the past 10 days, SH's downloads/day decreased from 200+ to about 190. but as you pointed out, if the game is released during the download rush, then the DL's/day stat is slightly scewed, in earily september the DL's/day should have evened out; before the rush.
The new games should be on the margin, because how else would you see whats been added? Manually searching the archives? And the most downloaded files are featured before the recent files. |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 22 Mar 2004
12:43 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | i think everyone here should re-download super mario v1.2 just for the sake of speeding up the take-over. i'm getting tired of waiting and just want to see it happen asap. :-D . this probably isn't fair to koizumi, but who cares? download mario today!!! |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 22 Mar 2004
17:32 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | i think everyone here should re-download super mario v1.2 just for the sake of speeding up the take-over. i'm getting tired of waiting and just want to see it happen asap. . this probably isn't fair to koizumi, but who cares? download mario today!!!
I'm glad most of our world leaders don't use that fuzzy logic, lol |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 23 Mar 2004
12:43 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | sadly enough, i think most of them do. remember---don't think about it, just do it!!! |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 23 Mar 2004
19:15 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | actually, only one of your downloads would count...
the logic here does look a bit fuzzy like D said :)
say D, let's go and start downloading our own files! lol
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 23 Mar 2004
20:02 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I download all of HK's files, because I want to delay the overtake as long as possible. :-) |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 23 Mar 2004
20:03 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | oh pahlease! okay, are you serious?
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 23 Mar 2004
20:07 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I was at school and I was bored, what else was I supposed to do? I just had my profile deleated because I screwed up the NTFS permissions. |
PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
03:47 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | I would download Mario at school, but ticalc.org and calcgames.org are both blocked off. stupid school computers. you can't even do a Yahoo! seach without it saying "Bess Can't Go There!" |
Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
05:09 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | we also have bess but we can go there all we want. your school is stupid, there are a lot of educational tools at these sites.
[edit] although, that's definitely a good thing, being on a school's block list... shows how popular we are :blink_a:
[Edited by Barrett on 24-Mar-04 16:26]
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PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
07:55 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | yeah, it makes no sense to me. they block off calculator sites, but many porn sites are left unblocked. aside from that, flash gaming sites are also allowed. flash games aren't necessarily bad, but it makes more sense to block that than to block calculator websites.
btw, download mario! |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
14:35 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | set up a proxy server, and you can go to practically anywhere. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
14:49 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | well, actually shools block everything except some allowed sites. so that does not necessarily mean they blocked all the popular sites but rather only allowed certain (usually crap ass) ones and blocked all others. I thought it was ridiculous to use the school's search engine when Yahoo or Google were accessible but idiot librarian kept yelling that we may not use other searches. I didn't care and kept using whatever I wanted and she didn't do anything. At one time it was fun to decode passwords from the school's Novell based network system. Since then I see Novell as crappy and insecure but that was kinda fun to go into teacher's accounts and see what's up. We never really did anything bad, but the other guy got caught once and got expelled.
Another workaround this blocking are places that allow usage of babelfish, you simply plug the site you wanna go to into the translate box and off you go. Nice and easy...
Actually spiral, you wouldn't be able to do that at most cases since the admin can block off that feature, in fact the whole networking can be disabled. Of course there are certain workarounds here too but we won't go into that.
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spiral
Wraith
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
16:13 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | My librarian LOVES Vivisimo, so whenver we go into the library for research (and of course the librarian teaches us how to research each time), we snicker about how she loves vivisimo. Of course onee that's done, we go use the computers and everybody just searches with google.
erally, i know proxy servers work on our school networks. |
Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
16:18 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | Z, all the school's i've been to have block lists, not allow lists. if they only had allow lists CalcGames.org would NOT be on it.
and yes, proxies work to get around Bess (our proxy filter thingy) as well.
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
16:35 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | well, in that case it would be a pretty damn long list B. on my work intranet there's an allow list instead that blocks everything that's not on it...
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
17:08 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Wo, this got OT quick. To add to the fun, there was a proram installed on all the computers in my district called Deep Freeze. The user could do anything they wanted when it was turned on, but upon reboot the drive reverted to the state when the program was activated. To test it out I went into DOS and typed in, del *.* -u or which ever tags were necessary to prevent confirmation. I got a BSOD in about 10 secs when it hit the Windows folder. Fortunately the computer booted back up just fine. |
Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 24 Mar 2004
19:13 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | yes it would be a very very long list. However, the filter isn't *only* a list. There is a "global block list" which is built into the proxy, and a "block list" which is what the school or organization wants to block. (i'm talking about Bess). There are other ways to filter - like looking at the page and if certain words show up or anything it can block them. It also blocks "loopholes" (such as google cache) and stuff like that.
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