| Author | Comment |
Evil Kirby
Dragoon
Posted: 15 May 2004
12:48 GMT
Total Posts: 55 | I'm thinking of getting a PS2 or Xbox, but all the info is killing me, so I've decided to put this up.I will be referee since I have neither, and only I will post round 2 (not to sound forcing).
PS2 and Xbox, which one is better?
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BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 15 May 2004
13:38 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | Gamecube wins. Game over. :happy:
Just kidding. All my friends around here have Xbox, so I'd say look into that one. They seem to love playing Halo...
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PhilosopherEd
Goliath
Posted: 15 May 2004
18:31 GMT
Total Posts: 134 | PS2 kills XBox in selection. graphics wise, they are about the same. however, i would probably choose XBox just because it has Halo and it is easy to give it a mod. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 15 May 2004
18:50 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | gosh philly, you gotta be kidding saying that PS2 and xbox are same in gfx. many PS2 games look crappy and no, that's not because i'm biased or anything, it's just the way it is. PS2's crapiness also kills the game quality of the new releases because devs use such outdated hardware and have to downgrade quality of their games. even back to the old days when Splinter Cell was ported to PS2, everyone saw how crappy it came out. speaking of gfx difference there are many examples. you could put Sonic Heroes, NFSU, many RPG's and even DOA, a sony's original looked much better on xbox. i agree some titles that were ported on PS2 to xbox come out bad, but overall xbox has the most power and that's pretty clear. even NGC has better gfx than ps2 but since most NGC games are for kiddies, it's not a very good choice. i personally have an xbox and it's only for fighting games and a very few others. in general, i'd recommend you only go by game selection that each console offers because PC beats them all anyway (if you have a good one). though, xbox already comes with a HDD and broadband adapter while ps2 does not. if you ask me, xbox is by far the most powerful and feature rich console of the three. halo is pretty good but definitely not the best game ever and either way, its better on pc. rather, tell us what exactly YOU're looking for in a game system and maybe we'll come up with a good idea. btw, this summer/fall PSP and possibly Nintendo DS will come out so perhaps you should wait if you don't really need a console that much.
[Edited by zkostik on 16-May-04 03:50]
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 15 May 2004
19:34 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | What Z said and Halo 2 is Xbox only as of now. Have you seen the previews? Here is a link if you haven't. Its ~174MB large.Halo 2 MP Preview. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 15 May 2004
19:40 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | i don't like the gameplay athmosphere in Halo 2 (i know it can be different in full game tho). i think this sort of game has a much better feel when its alien. as of now i'm only waiting for HL2 and Stalker. Doom3 is there too but I'm not as excited about it anymore. You guys should really check out the new E3 2004 HL2 movie. Too bad its encoded in crappy QuickTime so the size is big and quality is low. The movie can be grabbed from FilePlane.com and it weights a bit over 650 megs.
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Jayhawk
Dragoon
Posted: 16 May 2004
00:07 GMT
Total Posts: 80 | If I didn't know better, I'd think this was an attempt to start a flamewar. :D |
Evil Kirby
Dragoon
Posted: 16 May 2004
08:33 GMT
Total Posts: 55 | It's not, but it kinda seemed like that when I started it. You have to be careful with your writing because of that.
Anyway, I'm starting to lean towards Xbox, because of Halo 2 and Fable, but I'm a nintendo fanboy at heart and I also like Killzone for PS2.
The mental confusion continues... |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 16 May 2004
15:04 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Heres my take on things:
I like graphics alot better than selection, thus I perfer the xbox..
but if you like the option of playing games for 3 days at a time then going and getting a completly new game, and playing THAT for 3 days, you'd be better off getting the ps2 |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 16 May 2004
20:26 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, that did kinda sound like a start for a flamewar but I already said everything and will not continue. Besides, we would stop the thread if flames start.
Speaking of Sony, I think its even more monopolisting than even Micro$soft. With their old and outdated PS2 developers have to lower quality on their games and ports of these games don't look good either. Perhaps when they finally roll out their PSP things may change but Sony being itself will most likely charge sky-high proces on it like they did when PS2 came out. Not only that but PS2's have really crappy DVD drivers in them and I've had numerous cases with DVD's and games getting scratched. Xbox on the other hand has a quality NEC drive. Of course there are most PS2 games but that doesn't make it better as there are great games for all 3 consoles just as there are crappy ones. It's just in my opinion pointless to spend so much money on a PS2 when many games come out for all 3 platforms and NGC is cheaper and xbox is offers way more for the same price. At least Sony finally dropped PS2's price from $180 to $150. Btw, what kind of games are you planning of playing Evil Kirby? Like I already said, your choice of games should make your final selection rather than hardware. I for instance still play some old Sega Genesis and NES games on the emulator and they're still awesome.
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spiral
Wraith
Posted: 16 May 2004
20:57 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | I prefer PS2 over xbox, it's just better imo. |
Jayhawk
Dragoon
Posted: 16 May 2004
20:58 GMT
Total Posts: 80 | Hah, yes, I know it wasn't to start a flamewar. But I was very tempted to post a thread asking whether emacs or vi was better, as a parody of this thread. :D |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 16 May 2004
21:20 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Someone else just did... :-) |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 16 May 2004
22:22 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | I swore I posted a comment in here... Xbox since Halo 2 is comming out. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 17 May 2004
08:44 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | You did post:
16-May-04 04:34 |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 17 May 2004
17:31 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | hey spiral, why exactly do you prefer ps2 over xbox? is it because you only have a ps2 or is it just because? please explain why so from your point of view but please do mention some specific facts that influenced your choice. i'd just like to know what your definition of "better" is. thanks.
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Evil Kirby
Dragoon
Posted: 18 May 2004
14:02 GMT
Total Posts: 55 | Since you guys seem so persuasive, this will probably be the only round.what would the other 2 be? Which gathers more dust?
BTW zkostik, the type of games I like are classic games, but I am a big fan of mech games, side-scrolling shooter games(Like R-type), and RPG's. The only types of games I don't like are games based off a lame show or movie, realistic racing games, and survival horror games(nightmares!).
That's not extremely specific, but I hope it helps. :happy: |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 18 May 2004
17:22 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | I can't believe I missed that. Man finals really take it out of you. |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 18 May 2004
19:39 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | Z: Mostly it's just personal preference, I own neither. Some games I like on PS2: Final Fantasy games, DDR, both are unavailable for Xbox. Dynasty Warriors (one of my favorites) is on both. Also, I really can't stand xbox controllers, PS2 ones are a lot nicer. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 18 May 2004
21:40 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | that's kind of weird of you spiral to make such statement while not having a console at all. there's obviously nothing wrong with anyone having their opinion but if you don't own any of these systems how can you say one is better than other? not like i care if you like xbox or not but i just wanted to hear why you liked ps2 so much. oh well...Btw, FFXI online is way better on pc. I only tried a little bit of it but it looks really nice and beats any console easily.
To evil kirby: i agree with you about the movie based games as they tend to come out really lame. there are of course exceptions but those games are crap for the most part. racing games are different, i think older NFS and Grand Turismo were really good quality racers. I'm not a big racing game fan, but there ARE some good ones. I'm mostly a shooter game fan but I do like various maxies of adventure, rpg and action. I'm not a big fan of horror games either but there are some exceptions to it. One would be Silent Hill 2 which has a really awesome and gripping story which you wouldn't understand though until getting pretty far into the game. SH2 is a bit too creepy for my taste tho but the story really makes me go back playing. Ahh, you wouldn't know until you try. I changed my first opinion on quite a few games once I tried them myself (that was meant to say from bad impression to good or interested).
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 19 May 2004
07:28 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Even if you don't one, you can still be a good judge of using other peoples consules....besides, it doesn't take long to see a ps2 vs. xbox graphics comparison, hook both up to a big screen tv, and the ps2 looks really crappy. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 19 May 2004
14:10 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | btw, do you guys think sony's claim that ps3 will use cell based processor will be true? they say the system would roll out somewhere in 2005 but cell based processors haven't even been introduced well at all. it would certainly be cool to have a processor with many cores but if you ask me it's a little hard to believe this new technology will come up in next year's crop of consoles under $300 price tag. right now only two processors apple g5 and pentium M have two cores, the claim by sony that their cell based proc will have over 100 cores and will achive performance over that one of above mentioned ps2 supercomputer. sounds kinda unrealistic to me but if this does become reality this would definitely be something to talk about. what do you guys have to say about this, or uhm have you heard anything about the ps3 claims at all?
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Evil Kirby
Dragoon
Posted: 19 May 2004
14:24 GMT
Total Posts: 55 | I decided to get a PS3, but I've been waiting forever, and they have no idea when it'll come out, so forget that.
To be blunt, based on the types of games I listed above, which system do you think would be best for me:
Xbox
or
PS2
Please let me know. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 19 May 2004
15:34 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | PS2 for sure |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 19 May 2004
16:13 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | xbox has better mech games and shooters. if you want sidescrollers get a gameboy advance sp :) for a better selection of rpg's though, ps2 would be a better choice. in my opinion the only good rpg for xbox is Morrowind GOTY edition. why not get both systems btw? you can get them for like $100/ea used in you local gamestore...
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 19 May 2004
16:46 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Either sony is sitting on cell tech, or it doesn't exsist...
BTW, great fun it is to connect your PC w/ halo to your stero system. :-) Plasma Pistles make your house shake...not to mention rifles... |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 19 May 2004
23:41 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Interesting Z. Highly unlikely as you say. Last I checked/heard Sony is not into producing mircoprocessors. It is very unlikely for them to hope into that market with brand new tech. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 20 May 2004
08:34 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | That's what I thought too D, but that whole cell processor business was the thing sony used to promote the system and its supposedly limitless power. To my knowledge there's no device that uses a cell based processor, at least on the general market. The way technology is going now there might be cell procs by next year but I highly doubt they'll drop down so much that they can be used in cheap consoles. Well, ps2's processor was quite a new thing when it came out if you think of its design but it wasn't anything that hasn't been done (i'm not talking about console world). Cell procs haven't even been shown on any tech sites or reviewed so I'm just being somewhat skeptic about all this mumbo jumbo. Did anyone remember what M$ promised for their xbox2 btw?
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 20 May 2004
12:52 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | I know of some links let me find them and report back. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 20 May 2004
13:08 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | I heard things like PPC G5, ATI chip better than R400, 256+megs of ram, blu-ray disc reader :) (yeah right) and uhm... what else...
this is one of the things i picked up on bungie forums (and there are other official forums that say similar things, of couse MS didn't have a final decision yet but that's roughly what they're promising):
IBM G5 variant
Next-gen Radeon variant
256 MB ram
next-gen dash w/dvr capabilities
60 gig drive
ethernet
All that we'd be able to buy for under $300 at the end of next year. I dunno about the HDD, ram and ethernet but the other 3 items would be rather costly, even next year. Look at Radeon 9800, it's about a year old and still $300 and it's XT version is over $450. Last year's cards didn't drop in price that much. M$ would lose even more money on such a system than they do on current xbox. In order for current XB to not produce loss it needs to be prices at nearly $300 instead of $150. Let's see what D comes up with. This actually does sound like another debatable thing :).
EDIT: here's some info btw...
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/5218/Inside-the-Xbox-2-Part-2
[Edited by zkostik on 20-May-04 22:15]
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 20 May 2004
13:33 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Supprised to see you online now, eh. FIANLS are over. I'm just meandering around but I found this link that confirms what you said with a lot more detail:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mmedia/display/20040426094105.html
They might go Flash instead of a HDD> |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 20 May 2004
19:27 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | BTW, console First-person shooters and RPG's suck compared to computer ones. You can get emulators that run Xbox/PS2 games on your comp if you reeeeeally wanted them that bad. The controls on a comp are ALWAYS better than console ones, and a computer has more than 1 use, too. Such as internet :) |
Evil Kirby
Dragoon
Posted: 20 May 2004
19:44 GMT
Total Posts: 55 | I still have Finals next week... :fail_a:
BTW, ztostik, even though it happened before I read your post, the need to decide has been eliminated. My brother got an Xbox and I got a PS2. On the same day today. We can still talk about it though. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 20 May 2004
21:07 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | lol Evil Kirby, so basically you get access to both.
yeah D, i already saw that diagram but it wasn't of good resolution. three 3.5+ gig cores on one chip in a next years console (technically speaking this would be very possible for a pc but a bit hard to beleive to be in a console price range)? ehem... something hard to believe but possible. sony's cell chip is probably just a marketting ploy.
gpu specs suggest a geforce6800 or ati x800 equivalent (pixel pipeline numbers, speed, etc.)
seems to have a normal dvd drive and an average hdd. i'd guess a 7200 rpm or less looking at the access time.
system fsb seems to be running at about 800MHz or so looking at the bandwidth number but the gpu bus link seems to be like AGP 16x or PCI exress equivalent unless M$ comes up with a special mobo for this rig. this whole number thing looks weird because there's so much difference between the bandwidth of cpu and gpu/ram which makes me wonder how exact the mubers are and if they are then cpu would become a bottleneck of this system. either way, these specs are really hi end, except ram/vram capacities. however at the transfer speeds said on the pic these sizes may not make much difference. i'm wondering what kind of video bus MS develops for this system and whether it's going to be this fast bi-directional transfer. right now a system with similar specs would run in excess of $2000 and have three cpu's and not a one cpu with 3 cores. btw, speaking of core speed it kinda suggest that cpu makes would be intel or at least intel lincese for the chip. though, IBM will probably be its manufacturer but the cpu as i heard from many sources will not be a power based.
btw, i know the thing said power based 64 bit cpu but this would make current xbox games not compatible which is NOT a good marketing thing and makes me think M$ wouldn't do that (rember ps2's debut and importance of ps1 compatibility or say GBA to GBC compatibility?)
[Edited by zkostik on 21-May-04 06:09]
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blahblah
Dragoon
Posted: 21 May 2004
07:45 GMT
Total Posts: 69 | nintendo wins. their games are classic. you can't beat them. case closed. |
lunchpale
Probe
Posted: 21 May 2004
07:52 GMT
Total Posts: 1 | lunchpales are the coolest |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 22 May 2004
17:12 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Also mind you Z that H2 uses a BSOD as a texture for at a computer terminal in at least one multiplayer level. I don't know if you did, but clicking on the pictures does wonders. I understand the backwards compatability issue in terms of hardware, but in terms of gamming, this doesn't make much sense. Granted, there will be a lot of new buyers, but the "old timers" will gain nothing from running the games on the new platform. There is still the fps cap, the code is hardcoded on the disks therefore no changes and that means no extra gfx stuff. Whatever MS decides is more important for sales out of those two will (or already has been) determined. From the information given, it could either be the Power 5 tech (almost consumer ready) or AMD 64-bit tech. Since there have been no consumer 64-bit CPUs from Intel, AMD and IBM is where their choice lays. For simple noise factors concerning to CPU cooling I'd go with IBM. A three CPU setup is likely, remember that one post I made a month or two ago? 6 cores, 2 cores per CPU using IBMs Power 4 or 5 tech, and yeah there is a motherboard that supports that (I'm not going digging tonight). I believe ATI got contracted for the video. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 22 May 2004
22:01 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well D, you can have a much more powerful system and yet have backwards compatibility. Take ps2 for example, it's MANY time more powerful than ps1 and yet it can still play ps1 games. That backwards compatibility was a big factor in people's decisions when ps2 came out. It never was a thing for me since I haven't owned any console since SEGA Genesis (possibly best console ever...) and my xbox purchase was only made because i traded a bunch of my old game in a game store and got $150 of credit so i got xbox to play fighting games on it (DOA3, MK and SC2).
Speaking of the chip, IBM's powr chip didn't even hit 3 GHz and they promise 3G by the end of this year. Three 3.5+GHz cores next year is possible but still more like a guess. Besides, IBM's power chips are even more expensive than Intel, especially with such clock speeds (NGC only has a 400MHz? or less IBM chip). What you're saying D is very possible for a hi-end pc but is beyond any common sense for a next year's console. Maybe if xbox2 was coming out 2007-2008 it may work out but definitely not next year, not with such specs at least. Price-wise M$ can only go with AMD but I've never heard of an AMD chip with more than one core...Btw, isn't Intel Pentium M has two cores and Itanium chip is 64bit(did this even come out at all?).
Well, 3 cpu setup is nothing new and you could get even a 4 cpu mobo with 16 ram slots but that's gonna cost you some good $$$ and so will cpu's to fill up whis baby. Think about this D, what you said sounds like a hi-end pc setup that would cost several G's and not a $200-300 console.
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Evil Kirby
Dragoon
Posted: 23 May 2004
15:26 GMT
Total Posts: 55 | I haved loved Nintendo games since I first played games, but they are falling behind. Replacing Online for a better "connectivity" feature. In my opinion, they're shooting holes in their own ship and laughing about it.
Woooo, I got a little worked up there. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 23 May 2004
20:09 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, supposedly the new Nintendo portable, Nintendo DS that is, should have a good set of wireless capabilities. Still, Nintendo systems are oriented at younger audience and thus do not have online play. That not only allowes them to bring down the price but also have parents knowing their kids wouldn't go online and do something their parents don't want them to. Well, you get my point. If you ask me, online play or at least options to do so is important. Though, online play kidna sucks on consoles on on xbox you even have to pay for it which is a really bad idea. I for instance already pay enough for the internet and have absolutely no intentions to pay for playing xbox online when i can do it for no extra cost on my pc...
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 23 May 2004
20:50 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | There is no reason to bring the Itanium into this, it is around $1400 at pricewatch, I'm still fuzzy about the Pentium M and that Celeron crap (just a reference, not meant to judge quality). Which chip beisdes the Itanium does Intel make thats 64-bit? The Power 4 chips are at 2.5 GHz publically last I checked. I'm ending this, each rumor has some validity, and we only know what will be what when release. Yes, AMD is probably the maker of CPUs, but a 500MHz speed bump in IBMs chips in less than 4 months, iirc, leaves just enough room, like you said, for a 3.5+ chip. From my pov, your setup is also a high-end PC, so I think we are both bias enough to end this. Agreed? I really need to get more versed in this stuff since I'll be majoring in it... |
dysfunction
Goliath
Posted: 24 May 2004
09:05 GMT
Total Posts: 122 | Celeron is crap... even Athlon Xp is less expensive than a celeron, yet much better quality. |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 24 May 2004
11:13 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Eeek, I knew that sounded wrong. I meant Centrino not Celeron, I knew Celeron is crap. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 24 May 2004
12:50 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Okay D, but here are a few thing to clear out.
Celeron is crap but only coz of its small cache. Though it does thrash the performance a lot but the cost difference is also faily big between the it and pentium.
Centrino is more like a celeron for laptops but despite its poor performance it eats up much less power than normal pentium or mentium M cpu's thus enabling people to get more running time from their battery.
I think Itanium is the only 64bit intel chip available to the market. There are other prototypes and promises but itanium is about it for now.
It was quite fun to discuss this stuff tho.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 24 May 2004
15:48 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | From a moderate look around Intel's site, the Centrino technoledgy is just firmware of sorts on a Pentium M. I'm not talking in here or about this any longer, I need some rest. I didn't sleep last night. Yes it was, just too much for me now. |
taylorchase
Marine
Posted: 25 Jun 2004
14:03 GMT
Total Posts: 32 | why on earth would you want an XBOX? sure they have good games and sweet graphics, but the controllers are a piece of junk and the console itself is so stinkin huge. I have played lots of games on many different consoles and i think that you should just be happy with a regular or a super nintendo. they have classic games and are the best because they controllers feel so retro and they actually look cool. Gamecube is a really good console to get but i don't prefer the controllers. In my opinion PS2 has the best controllers that you could ever want and they have great games like DDR and Final Fantasy and the dance mats are fun with DDR. but ya i know that XBOX also has DDR, but it's just not the same. Final Fantasy IV also known as FF2 for super is by far the best Final Fantasy game ever made followed by FF1 and the real FF2. So here is the main thing, why bother playing good games when all the quality of the games are taken away with crappy controllers. Just my 2 cents worth. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 25 Jun 2004
20:34 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | i personally have lots of great games on my xbox and actually find its larger controller more comfortable (my hands are pretty big, so it guess that's why). i think its pointless to argue which is better because there's something for everyone on each console. everyone has different game preference too. btw, size doesn't matter much since the thing sits on the table anyway, it's not like it a portable console or something like that. btw, ps2 isn't all that much smaller than xbox but if the size matters, i guess it'd make gamecube the best... i never like neither DDR nor FF series so, i won't argue here. but sayin that system sucks just because controller is bad is wrong. you can buy a madcatz microcon or even a controller shaped like the one for ps2 so this is no excuse to bash the system. and speaking of game quality, ps2's graphics really ruin everything for everyone (please don't argue on that part, because it's true). it's disappointing that many devs still make games primarily for ps2 and then port them to other consoles. that seriously ruins game quality for everyone because ps2 is way too outdated to be a primary platform. if you ask me, computer is what offers the best looking games these days but you don't see anyone complain that some game or their computer sucks because they have a stock mouse. you just have to look at other options too, you know.
erm...that was my 2 cents.
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 25 Jun 2004
22:23 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Comps rule over all. Hehe, subwoofers on your system really make Halo better. Besides, I don't have a stock mouse, and I love wireless. (I can hide it from people I don't like, and then make the mouse move on the screen, from another room, really freaks them out). |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 26 Jun 2004
00:15 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Think thats freaky. Setup a VNC connection between two computers and when teh perosnon isn't using the keyboard or mouse control the computer from the other one. Barret and I messed around with it a while ago. My connection was the only downside. |
taylorchase
Marine
Posted: 26 Jun 2004
08:12 GMT
Total Posts: 32 | mr. zkostik, i wasn't trying to bash XBOX, i was just trying to say that the controllers suck which makes the gameplay less slpendid. i do like XBOX, i just like PS2 more because i'm more comfortable with it and the controllers help. i however did not know about the PS2 type controllers that you can get for XBOX. i just like retro things because most of them are classics which i grew up with with endless hours of fun. i did not need the best technology for that. you are right about PC games though, i cannot argue with that. i have Unreal Tournament G.O.T.Y Edition which i really enjoy playing. but i have 7 other people that i live with that need to use the computer to so it's really difficult to play the game and do whatever else i need to do at the same time. so ya i like almost every game system but sega dreamcast. |
