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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 8 Nov 2002
18:56 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Okay, this discussion moved here from "Polls" forum, where it was quite OT (as Digital said).
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 8 Nov 2002
19:02 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | All that this new Matrox has is 20gbs bandwidth. its doesn't have very good computing power. since its good bandwidth it had high fill rate, but that's it here. it only has a 200mhz GPU and 300mhz vram. which is very low. i mean very. actually, Radeon 9700 Pro has optimizations for professional graphics. i agree about dual processors and since you're looking at DDR, you'll need a gig of it. you wouldn't need that much if you get RDRAM pc-1066. it's way faster than fastest DDR. getting dual P4 would be waaay expensive. with AA, you mean AA samples? btw, what's your budget towards that system? i mean, as far as me, i'm just looking at various goodies since im saving up to buy a car.
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spiral
Wraith
Posted: 8 Nov 2002
20:14 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | I got a pretty nice laptop. 1.7ghz, pentium 4, geforce4 (it's nicer than the one i have in my regular computer), not too sure about the ram, tho it's either 512 or 256 mb. Now, just got to see how UT 2003 runs on it. |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 10 Nov 2002
12:38 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Its true that the GPU is only 200mhz but in this case speed doesn;t play much of a role. If you know why the Itanium proc is better even through it only runs at 800mhz them you will understand this: The Matrox GPU is 512-bit and if I'm correct the Radeon 9700 is only 256-bit. Yes, I do mean AA samples. BTW with the way Photoshop uses memory and what I plan on doing, I need a gig of mem. In addition to that I wil have two or three mem and cpu hog progs open at all times so the 256mb of RAM on the card will help keep things stable. I know the speed comparisons 800mhz RDRAM v. 400mhz DDR. What do you mean computing power, thats a little vauge? Also the FSB speed on the dual P4 is slower than dual Athlon I think. As for budget I plan on spending 3-4 grand. I can't save that money up all at once so I will be building the system gradually. |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 10 Nov 2002
17:48 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | wow, u sure need a lot of processing power. Are you doign a lot of image work or something? |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 10 Nov 2002
20:46 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Photoshop shouldn't need that much power. Yes, either GForces and Radeons have a 256bit GPU's. btw, speed does matter. 512bit GPU will indeed give you more bandwidth but it won't be able to hunk up as many numbers. look, i and many other people ran benchmarks on several cards and even rather old GF3 outperforms Matrox. tests were ran in several programs such as 3D Mark 2001, ray tracing POV Ray and several others. In fact, Matrox did so badly that it lamost ran on par with GF2!!! Also, Athlon based board's FSB doesn't run as fast as Pentium's. Either way, dual proc system will run out more than 3K that's for sure. Btw, don't forget about Windoze. I'm not entirely sure that regular version supports multiple procs. I think there are special licenses for each edditional proc. I may be wrong tho.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 12 Nov 2002
07:37 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | I've seen the benchmark tests too and i do see that it is out preformed but this card is not designed for gamming and thats not what I'll be using it for. I think windoze (havn't seen it that way) XP supports dual. I know that speed does matter for the card but what I ment was only to an extent. 300mhz*2^512 is the amount of data Matrox can process.
spiral: I am doing a whole lot of imaging work. Also I work in a 3D landscaping/animation raycasting app too. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 12 Nov 2002
10:24 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | i wasn't talking about gaming. my friend tested it in POV Ray, which is a free ray-tracer. it lets you render 3D Max scenes, etc.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 12 Nov 2002
14:49 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Got a little confused about that there. but which Matrox are you talking about the 128MB or the 256MB, or do you think it would matter? Is the bench prog free? BTW what do you mean by "Either way, dual proc system will run out more than 3K that's for sure"?
Hey why isn't anyone else imputining anything in here? I know you other guys have dream machines! |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 12 Nov 2002
15:39 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | How good is the Fire GL X1 card and what is the speed of the GPU for the GF4. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 12 Nov 2002
23:42 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | on the fastest GF4-Ti4600 we have 300/625 (some come with 310/650) and Radeon 9700 Pro has 310/620 (some come with 325/620). either card can also be easily overclocked quite a bit w/ factory cooler.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 13 Nov 2002
11:09 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | What about the Fire GL cards they are rather new I believe. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 13 Nov 2002
12:14 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | umm...not sure about those.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 15 Nov 2002
08:33 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Have you heard anything abotuthe nVidia cards with the Quadro procs? |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 15 Nov 2002
17:26 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | yeah, those are nice. but unfortunately only the most expensive one has a 8X AGP. i'm not entirely sure of their prices but Radeon 9700 Pro seems to be beating even the professional boards. It's a whole freaking powerhouse and you actually need to connect it to a floppy disk's power supply cuz it eats so much power that AGP port isn't enough for it. This piece of hardware has 4X/8X AGP, up to 8X AA with almost no slowdown thanks to its special AA chip. Lot's of other goodies. And according to all benchmars its the most powerful board out there right now. Oh, almost 20 gbps of bandwidth is also nice even but that's only if your motherboard has 8X AGP. This is something to get. Yes, Quadro boards have some special hardware feats. for professinal gfx but tha new Radeon seems to have it all too.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 17 Nov 2002
21:45 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Thanks for the info. Right now I'm still in the researching stage. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 17 Nov 2002
23:39 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | yeah man, take your time. a good research never hurts. see what ppl say about metal, check on reviews, etc. i usually check sites like amazon.com for general info that ppl post after having some experience with product they bought.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 25 Nov 2002
07:45 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Latest developement: I may only have to upgrade off a base model. My dad is considering getting me one since I eat up so much disk space (10 gb in a few months and still going strong) and operation time when I'm rendering. What should be the first thing I upgrade, porcs or graphics cards. |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 2 Dec 2002
07:39 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Has anyone seen the benchmark tests of the Apple Power Mac G4 (dual 1.25 GHZ procs)? Photoshop will run about 90% faster (max probably). Should I go with that or dual Athlons? |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 2 Dec 2002
21:02 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Faster than on what? Mac OS sucks monkey nuts and even worse than Windoze. I can tell you that after working for two years on those junk comps. If you can get your hands on a dual athlon comp then go with it. Dual P4 would be nice but too expensive.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 4 Dec 2002
07:22 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Why exactly do you say it sucks when it is used for high end graphics designing? |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 4 Dec 2002
17:15 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Because I just don't get why the heck Macs are better for graphics than any other comps! Dude, I worked for two darn years on those crappy things (and not the old ones either), I was working in PS/Flash/Poser, etc. and man those things sucked. Not only I hated MacOS for its inferior design, the comps themselves just didn't show me what they're supposed to be so good. I mean, my brother's comp was so much better with the same programs than Macs (my own comp is a bit too old). Give me one thing those Macs are better than a decent PC at? Not just they're good for hi end gfx and all pro designers use them cuz that's bull.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 4 Dec 2002
19:47 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Man when I read your response I imagined you red in the face even though I don't even know what you look like. Talk about a passionate argument LOL. Do benchmark tests mean anything to you, or are they just for a general reference? the ones I have are against a dell demension 8200 i think. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 5 Dec 2002
18:04 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Man, what I tell you is from my own experience not just some numbers. Dell Dimensions are badly made, my uncle has one of those which is a P4-1.8gig and my P3-800 runs waaay faster than their computer. which is funny. gateway's recent pc's are very nice, but for a real powerhouse look at Alienware pc's or Falcon-Nortwest pc's. Their rigs own Macs. I just don't get why people think Macs are so darn good. They cost more than a good pc too. (No, I'm not looking red, I just wanted to state my own expericnce.) Btw, Mac OS sucks, even Windoze owns it, which as we know doesn't happen very often.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 5 Mar 2003
07:22 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | If I remember correctly there is a part of the mac os that is a rendering engine for 2d and 3d. The mac procs take only 2 steps to access a command while intel takes 19 and athlon takes 3. The only reason pcs are gaining is because of speed. But if macs ran at higher speeds like pcs then they would be so much better. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 5 Mar 2003
12:17 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | yes, but if you look at what gfx cards are available for macs you'll notice that they don't have all up-to-date crads. i dohowever have to agree that intel's structure is not as good. but provided that pc fsb runs much faster than mac's you get higher bandwidth and therefore more than compromise for the lost steps. it wouldn't be too bad if intel would widen the pipeline on their cpu chips.
oh, if you didn't know MacOS X has many hardware problems and incompatibilities even with already builtin hardware such as a DVD writer. which is pretty lame, i dunno if they've made a fix for those yet.
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Digital
Guardian
Posted: 6 Mar 2003
13:42 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | A couple of years ago Macs probably out did PCs by a long shot but I do have to agree that they are pretty much equal depending on the config. I've actually heard just the opposite about the HW stuff. |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 5 Aug 2003
09:05 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Man I loved this debate. Too bad there has been common ground that we have agreed on because its easier to argue with differences. Since the G5 processor came out I think that Apple is begining to pull ahead again. Who knows what is in store in the future.
One of the reasons why I actually need a computer of my own is because of all the files I have. Right now the is a 38GB HDD in our computer. I take up 16.8 GB in non-application data! Add 2GB or 3GB and thats is how much room I take up. My dad takes up about 8GB and my mom and brother take up only 3GB. Right now we only have ~20% disk space free. Kick me off the computer and problems are solved. This computer is only a year and a half oldd too. This week I am pretty sure I'm ordering that PowerBook. Luckily I have a "left over" 18.6 GB HDD of my own so I copied all my user data last night to an external HDD USB adapter with USB 1.1 or 1.0 (which ever is 12Mbit/sec). Thats why I did it last night. I think it took about four hours. All I have to do is check the integrety of the data and transfer all the files when my PowerBook comes. |
