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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 8 Feb 2005
20:40 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | MUHAHAHAHA!!!
The debate thread lives to haunt us once again. Any topic suggestions? I think maybe what's the best programming language is a good starter.
Rules:- No swearing
- No obscenities
- Make rational arguments *ahem* DSP *ahem*
Ready...set...go! |
Barrett
Administrator
Posted: 8 Feb 2005
23:48 GMT
Total Posts: 1676 | I am the coolest admin.
No debate needed as I'm sure everyone agrees.
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Morgan
Ultralisk
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
01:29 GMT
Total Posts: 321 | No argue from me! Damn we're going to miss you! I'm going to keep a going log on all the cool things that happen in the community and give it to ya when you get back!! |
Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
06:31 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | I'm the most strange person ever!
(2 words... Text Pong)
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zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
12:53 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | Xero you r soooooo wrong. If you think you've got problems, u ain't seen nothin yet.
@$F#$%&U!)^C@W$#%&*K!!!!!!!!
Oh was i not allowed to do that? what r u going to do bout it?
whack me in the head w/ your lunch box?
Hah Hah hahahahahahahah!!!!!!
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
12:58 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | sigh... this is absolutely pathetic. Debates are supposed to be serious... although B definitely is VERY cool.
Personally, I'd like to know public opinion on the death penalty. Michael Ross, a Connecticut resident who is on death row, killed many young girls, but should his life be taken? I don't think so, simply because he became mentally unstable during that time and should just be locked up for life. |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
13:01 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | Hey Jc i personally think u should read my quick joke on my sig. it explains every thing.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
13:40 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Well, I'll tell you who cares:
1. The person on the death penalty, Micheal Ross. (He says he wants to die.)
2. His family.
3. The families of the people he killed.
4. The judge and jury that convicted him, and anyone involved in the trial.
5. The state of CT. They have to pay for his jail sentence, and it certainly isn't that great on their record.
6. The United States of America, for the same reasons as above.
7. My community, since the man grew up in a very nearby town. My principal actually had him as a student.)
8. Many religious groups that believe life should not be taken except if by God.
9. Taxpayers who pay for his captivity in prison and possibly his death.
That's who cares. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
16:36 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | 1) B is definetly cool, and as such his hard work, dedication, witty comments, and poll hacking will always be missed here at CG :img13: .
2) If a man takes numerous lives, does it not stand to reason that he should recieve similar penalty? I am all for the death penalty myself, but my state (CA) is pathetic about it. Of the ~602 people who have beeen sentenced to death row in the last half-century, we have killed only 3 of them. That means we have had to house, feed, and otherwise care for ~599 veery, very dangerous criminals, which is both a financial and emotional drain on the people and the state. All of which can be avoided by a simple injection.
[Edited by Lunchbox on 10-Feb-05 01:39] |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
18:34 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | Jc, shut up.
<<The person on the death penalty, Micheal Ross. (He says he wants to die.)>>
OK. fine then name someone that's not in Conn that acutally cares.
Lets talk about somethong more important, like
what's the best type of food.
or
the best tv show
[Edited by zedd on 10-Feb-05 03:36]
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dwestbrook
Goliath
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
19:31 GMT
Total Posts: 112 | After discounting a very serious thing, you just listed off 2 of the most trivial problems in the universe.
Also, I disagree with Lunchbox. If we kill them, we are just lowering ourselves down to their level.
[Edited by dwestbrook on 10-Feb-05 04:33] |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 9 Feb 2005
19:51 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | 1) I'm the coolest! :) lol
2) I'd say DP should only be up on a per-case basis. We often have some serial murderers whose act were 100% proven. I generally think these people should not be kept alive for what they have done and take toll on OUR tax money for their keeping. Like I said, DP should only be on a special per-case basis to eliminate erroneous death sentences cast on innocent people. Though, I do see a point of have that person spend a whole life in jail, that way they'll have plenty of time to think about what they've done and not have a death as an easy way out (they'd take a poison shot and die w/t feeling nothing which probably wasn't the case with their victims). So it seems that this is a rather hard decision and I'm not quite sure which is the best way out of this.
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Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
06:34 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | If you take a persons life then you deemed yourself unmoral and unneeding for your own life.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
12:48 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Zedd, did you read my entire post? And also, Ross killed several girls in NY too.
I believe that the DP should not be given. I think life sentences are much harsher, although no one really wants to pay for them. I watched a Twilight Zone episode where a murderer was forced to have dreams in which he gets killed over and over again to pay for his crimes, I think that sounds fair. He truly gets a taste of his own medicine. (Now, I know that does sound a little ridiculous, and it obviously can't be done now. But the punishment does fit, it certainly teaches him a lesson, and it doesn't kill anyone.) |
TI Freak
Probe
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
14:46 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | For a guy like that, he should be severly punished. He shouldn't recieve the death penalty, that would be too easy of a way out. There was a 10 yr old girl that was killed here 2 weeks ago. They caught the guy, but I haven't heard when his hearing is. My thought:
It costs the US thousands and thousands of dollars to house, clothe and feed these things, we should make them work for that stuff. If they don't want to work, a bullet costs less than a dollar. The more lax we are on their punishments, the worse this stuff is going to get, because they know that they are just gonna get a nice cozy jail cell, with free cable, free food, heat and a/c, etc.
I'd say for anyone who rapes to anyone who murders, does not deserve to live, for doing that to someone. :( But then, that is just my thought. |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
16:09 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | Actually Jc, I havent read your posts. Now that i have i guess you proved me wrong, some people do care. I could tell u who doesn't. But i won't anyway.
I just think that he should get solitary confinement. It's one of the worst punishments ever.
Xero- Moral smoral. no one wants him to walk the streets again. Not even himself.
And dwest,<<After discounting a very serious thing, you just listed off 2 of the most trivial problems in the universe>> You got to eat, u might as well eat something that's good.
<<Also, I disagree with Lunchbox. If we kill them, we are just lowering ourselves down to their level.>> right. But whatever. no one cares.
Oh wait, B4 Jc corrects me w/ a million people who do, I don't care!
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
16:53 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | You caught yourself! Good job. :)
Prison has been getting rather cozy lately. I don't even get cable myself! |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
17:14 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | And u would know this how?? hmm.....
Well not all prisons r cozy. u have to be lucky.
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darksideprogramming
Guardian
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
19:13 GMT
Total Posts: 1005 | I am capable of rational arguments; I just choose not to exercise this ability on this site. It makes things more interesting :D
And what's the deal, Lunch? Do you have a vendetta against me or something? I'm offline for 1 day and then I see this.
BTW, I had duty last night; that's why I wasn't here to argue earlier.
Being in the military rocks! |
darksideprogramming
Guardian
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
19:14 GMT
Total Posts: 1005 | And while I agree B is without a doubt the coolest admin (*sniff* I'm gonna miss you, man), I am probably one of the coolest (and most annoying) non-admins on this site.
Why, you ask? Because I said so.
Oops, that's not a rational argument :) |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 10 Feb 2005
22:07 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | There is no spoon.
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 11 Feb 2005
09:12 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | No vendetta DSP. Just trying to make sure you don't get caught up in your own fallacies :) .
Also, Zedd, I think that you are the one that needs to shut up, not JC. JC is making logical arguments from his own personal standpoint and backing them up with both facts and opinions. You, however, are turning a blind eye to the real problems of the world and instead focusing on material things, such as television. By greeting these issues with a cold heart and closed doors, you will probably be haunted by it later. It kinda sickens me to see how irrational and unforgiving your stndpoint on things is.
Back to the main topic. Imagine this, JC, all those girls killed by that maniac had families that most likely loved and cared for them. This means that not only do the dozen or so girls who died suffer, but their friends and family do also. That's literally hundreds of people who were thrown into deep remorse by this single person. Now, what seems just to do with this man, let him live out the rest of his life in a facility paid for by the families of the girls he killed and many others, or put down so that he is no longer suckng up money or rationality from these families? Surely taking the life of one so that hundreds or thousands even can feel safe again in the fact that this horrible person has been given what he deserves? Remember, with his one life, he ruined hundreds of others. Think about that before you answer. |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 11 Feb 2005
15:01 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | fine. i'll make rational arguements and back them up w/ supporting details. u sound like my SS teacher.
I only said shut up because that's what i always say.
New topic
In Virginia the Underwear bill was dropped.
was it a good idea to fine people 4 their under wear showing in public?
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 11 Feb 2005
17:18 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | If you think that these criminals would thing any different about what they've done by sitting and jail then its naive. This is just like Islamic extremists and people for some reason thing that they'd understand reason but they don't take into accout that for these people death is more prized than life. I doubt its the same way with all of us and personally I pretty much like living and would want to continue doing so for a good period of time and I have future goals. These people don't have any of that, so what's the point of wasting tax money on them when they'll spend all their life in prison for what they've done? And better yet, when these people are in prison and they know they have nothing to lose, they could cause damage and disturbance or even kill other inmates. Their buddies or group can try to bust them out (ala SWAT movie) and who needs that? Personally, I think that USA is focuing on the wrong issues. I mean what's the deal with that underwear or all that sexual content nature Americans have problems with? In Europe no one sees it as a big thing, this is natural and hey, why aren't museums not censored when they have nudes there? America should focus on more important issues than visible underwear and booby flash, we live in a large country upon which others countries look and try to match so why exactly do we have to deal with that crap when we have much more important issues to take care of? Oh, as with money spend on upkeeping of inmates instead of a DP, wouldn't it be better to use that money to help our troops who fight in Iraq or perhaps use it to fix Hubble telescope or maybe even reduce medicare taxes? I'm sure there's a much better use for that money and I'm sure these people whom its being spend on aren't worth even a penny of.
I'm done here, just my two cents. Not likely anyone will take anything said above into their mind so everything will be just like it is... And most likely terrorists will destroy this world much sooner than we get to terraform Mars. Ooops, this went a bit offtopic but hopefully you see where I'm aiming here. Think about it!
Peace everyone.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 11 Feb 2005
17:58 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Lunchbox, I understand that the families would certainly want revenge. Yes, we'd save money. Maybe in this crazy world of materialism, it all works out fine. But in my opinion, people must be willing to forgive. I don't think that will ever happen worldwide, so maybe the DP should be applied. Is it moral? No. But if it HAS to be done...
You have a good point, Z. Sexuality is so weird in the US- it seems to be attacked all the time, yet it is EVERYWHERE and so frank. I wish we'd just use it for true love & reproduction. The Underwear bill was probably used to protect the innocence of youth, but since that's QUITE gone now, there's no need. I've tried my best over the years to stay as good as possible, I know I haven't really succeeded. (The opposite sex has quite the pull on me!)
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 11 Feb 2005
18:14 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well Jc, that's good that you share my opinion and I'm glad that its opposite sex that has pull on you :).
Btw, what IS moral these days? Why is it okay to go to war with Iraq and kill insurgents and yet it's not okay to kill domestic pests that kill innocent people here? In Iraq for instance we kill with bullets, nades and other cool machinery and those criminals had they gotten a DP would receive shot and not feel anything? Would your opinion change is that criminal killed your friend or sibling? Would you then want to pay your tax money to feed and cloth that inhuman being that brought grief to you instead of using that money to help your family? We already have enough pests in our society and if we don't keep things strict it will be haven for them. This mentality was used against Iraq because they supposedly posed threat to the USA despite their distance from here and yet, our own criminals are not considered such a threat. I'm not sure I quite understand what people are trying to achieve here. If person willingly killed someone and they get a life in jail then and evidence is 100% against them then I see absolutely not point of keeping such a person. Prison is meant for correction of people who may be released back, it could be for people whose evidece was not absolute and they could later be pronounced innocent but its definitely not for serial killers and that sort. This is my opinion and I most certainly don't force it on anyone. That's why we have democracy here so that everyone can form their own opinion but it seems that such freedom is not working as well as it was initially intended to.
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 11 Feb 2005
20:44 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | I agree with Jc, the opposite sex has quite a firm pull on mee. I don't really think i could escape it, even if i wanted to :) . BTW Z, that was a well-written passage and i agree wholeheartedly, but i think that the war in Iraq is kind of another subject. The thing that pisses me off the most about the war is how uneducated people are about it. Living in California, ~90% of the kids in my school are flaming liberals, and mostly because they believe every half-truth and distorted rumor their parents give them and pan it off as the absolute truth. Then they try to force their opinion on my as if it's the only correct way to think. I have to keep telling them that, by their nature, opinions can't be right, just justified or unjustified. Most, however, can't seem to grasp this key concept, which is truly disappointing. I just wish someone would come out and reveal thee truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth for once. Lol, I just noticed that i spelled debate with 2 e's when i created this thread :img16: . |
TI Freak
Probe
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
06:25 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Well, on the Iraq thing, one reason Bush pushed so hard to get over there is the oil. He used the terrorist thing to justify what he was doing. When we first were attacked by Suddam, it was because we had drilled across the border and was stealing his oil. Any leader is of course going to put a stop to that.
And besides that, Bush's family is a big oiling company. See the connection?
And on the terrorist attack of 9/11, I have a plot twist for you. We allowed the four most wanted terrorists to board air planes, using their real names, and take over the planes. Conviently, the security system was shut down... This is odd, but not the major key. The major key is, why wasn't the airforce in the air when the planes lost radio comm.?? If a plane leaves its designated flight path, and loses radio contact, there are supposed to be 3 bombers right on that plane, ready to blow it out of the sky. According to the report given by the guy from the air force (I can't remember his rank or designation) he stated that he was ordered to stand down. Only 3 people in the US can do this, The pres, vice pres, and sec of defense. Also, these 3 people were all gone from the white house during all this, which is another thing. One of these 3 has to be there at all times.
Makes you wonder how great this government we have really is, huh? |
korkow
Ultralisk
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
07:15 GMT
Total Posts: 465 | And now for the interesting fact of the day! (Sort of...)
Under Islamic law, if you are caught stealing something as worthless as a snickers you will get your dominant hand cut off, no court or anything. This could easily kill them as you can probably guess. That means that People in places like Turkey that fallow Islamic law can get killed for stealing, but in America you would have to kill multiple people before get the sentence. That is what is unfair.
Dang, I know a LOT about the world. Thank you Mr. Moore! You are the best Social Studies teacher ever! I don't know about you guys, but don't you think learning is actually kind of fun?
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
07:33 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Learning is fun!
As much as I love America's system of government, I have to say that I'm not happy with what our country is doing right now. I think that we are done in Iraq and should pull out so we don't have another Vietnam...
Hehe, I noticed the misspelling and I decided not to say anything. :)
On the topic of girls, Z's avatar distracts me. :drool_a: |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
08:49 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | Fun?? R U kidding? only sometimes.
New topic: totally unrelated but i want 2 know.
Is there anyone that is "NORMAL" on this site?
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korkow
Ultralisk
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
09:03 GMT
Total Posts: 465 | I would say the only normal people are the ones who just download games from CG, and don't post on the forums. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
09:44 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Yes, I am the only semi-normal person on this site. |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
10:08 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | I'm nowhere near normal. I try not to be, as I find "normal" an insult.
A is pretty normal, though.
Korkow, I'm w/ you mostly. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 12 Feb 2005
19:47 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Tks for the comment on my passage, I just had to let this out of me.
As with avatar, are the boobies too nice and distract you Jc? lol
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darksideprogramming
Guardian
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
01:13 GMT
Total Posts: 1005 | I personally think we should stay in Iraq until their government shows that they can support the country, however long it takes. |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
05:07 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | >>>As with avatar, are the boobies too nice and distract you Jc? lol<<<
Of course. :) I had to stop myself from rubbing the monitor just now. lol
DSP, how do you even know our soldiers can keep peace over there? I understand you are in the military, but even the military can't control some things. Suicide bombers and vigilantes, although unskilled, multiply much faster than soldiers do, and SBs can kill a lot of people very easily. I don't think it is worth to keep the military in Iraq, it's too dangerous. Besides, as soon as we leave, there is a pretty good chance the government will collapse due to the international animosity of American systems.
Going back a little bit to the sexuality issue, I'd like to bring up another old law that some areas still practice. Adultery is punished by death. This is true in Islamic and Hebrew countries mostly. But that happens all the time in America, and it isn't a crime... Of course, imagine how hard it would be to enforce. |
korkow
Ultralisk
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
06:10 GMT
Total Posts: 465 | Americans are just too rebellious to even think of obeying stupid laws. Although the laws aren't always stupid.... If I knew that I would be killed if I did adulrty, I wouldn't do it until I was married. On the other hand, I just noticed JC's avatar is floating. Weird. |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
09:52 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Well now I have a new avatar, so I can have a different one for each forum I visit. (It's Laharl from Disgaea: Hour of Darkness.)
Nice sig, korkow. And you shouldn't have to be scared into non-adultery, people should just use common sense. |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
10:47 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | I have a bad feeling about tomorrow. V-day.
why is there an official day for romance. it makes people feel bad when they don't have anyone to share the day w/.
it makes me sick.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
16:48 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Well, the holiday is nearly 100% commercial. It's just an advertising holiday nowadays. So far this year, I don't have a valentine, but I'm still happy because no one gave me any of those crappy heart candies yet. :) |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 13 Feb 2005
17:16 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Geez, I'm gone for a day and a half, and look what happens! I'm going to address some keypoints in my opinion:- TI-Freak, that's exactly what I meant by distorted rumors and half-truths. When did we ever drill in Iraq without government consent? Never. Saddam may have accused Kuwait of slant drilling during the first gulf war, but that's completely different. The oil, by the way, was not the reason we, as a country, went to war. There's a reason it's called Operation: Iraqi Freedom and not Operation: Iraqi Liberation (OIF, not OIL. Its one of those deeper meaning thingys).
- Pulling out of Iraq has way more potential for danger than staying in does. Look at Rwanda, their nation was left alone before being stabilized and what happened? Genocide. Granted, their is probably not nearly as much racial hatred in Iraq, but still, anarchy has inevitable consequences.
- I am undeniably quasi-normal, just so you guys know. And i agree w/ korkow also. But how "normal" can you be if you play games on a calculator? Maybe cool, but sure as heck not normal :) .
- Nice avatars Jc and Z, I admit, Z's last one was a touch distracting
[Edited by Lunchbox on 14-Feb-05 02:16] |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 14 Feb 2005
13:03 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Thank you Lunchbox. :)
actually, all the normal people saw that I had games on mine and wanted me to put them on theirs for them. Normal people are bored in math class. :)
Z's new avatar is pretty. :drool_a: Though, the banana one was funny.
Hmm, genocide is not something nice. We should pull out ASAP, but make sure they can stand on their own, so we don't have to go back in.
On a completely different serious topic, what are your favorite books? Mine are:
-Slaughterhouse Five (Kurt Vonnegut)
-Animal Farm (George Orwell)
-Breakfast of Champions (Vonnegut again) |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 14 Feb 2005
14:34 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | My favorite book is...... ABC and 123!
but seriously, i'm reading the fellowship of the ring.
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 14 Feb 2005
15:05 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Actually, I supply all the "cool" kids with games for their calcs so that they aren't bored during class. The best part is that i could insert a virus in the package without them knowing :) . But I wouldn't. All they know how to do is run MirageOS and play phoenix/mario/etc. Fairly amusing, actually, except when my calculator crashes and theirs doesn't cause they don't screw with anything :img21: . |
Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 14 Feb 2005
15:06 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | this is the truth. one is inclined to leave all alone
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BASIC flames are for n00bs, you don't want to be a n00b do you? | My other calc is a Porsche. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 14 Feb 2005
19:56 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Ughh, great. Z has a new distracting girl as his avatar. Now i have to take twice as long to post. I was on a good streak with the banana one Z, you coulda had that one up a little longer :) . |
darksideprogramming
Guardian
Posted: 15 Feb 2005
18:57 GMT
Total Posts: 1005 | That's my point, Jc. We should leave Iraq, but only when the government proves it is capable of running itself. |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 16 Feb 2005
13:16 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Hmm... how bout we get some other country to do it for us? We'd be safe and Iraq would be protected. |
dwestbrook
Goliath
Posted: 16 Feb 2005
13:25 GMT
Total Posts: 112 | Because that would only encourage our reputation of being a stupid lazy people. |
