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stephendonnelly88
Dragoon
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
15:45 GMT
Total Posts: 97 | Dudes! I kid you not: I just WON an iPod Nano! The bookstore of the local community college (I'm a homeschooled, highschool senior, but I take most of my classes there) has a "drawing" each month. Usually they just give away a back-pack and $100 worth of bookstore stuff.
I happened to win a nano though! It is so sweet.
To be honest, I would never have even considered spending $200.00+ on a block of flash-memory, with a screen & headphone-jack sticking out of it.........but, now I know better. The Nano is T-H-I-N. I'm afraid it will shatter or something if I hold it the wrong way.
Oh well........I'm done bragging. I'm just exited because I have never had an iPod, and I've never won anything in my life before.
BTW: Anyone have a Video iPod? It looks kind of cool. :)
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zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
16:54 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | Yay!
I shot the duck and won an Xbox 360
.....What's this?.....
Virus detected.... will assume self destruct mode in T minus
5....4....3....2..........
AHHHHHH!
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
16:55 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | That's pretty cool. There's no way I would ever buy an iPod... I'm happy with my non-mac stuff. But anyways, a free thing is always cool.
One of my friends showed me his video iPod and showed me a video on it. I was surprised, the quality was actually pretty good. |
stephendonnelly88
Dragoon
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
17:08 GMT
Total Posts: 97 | Well, to be honest with you, I have allways been a Microsoft guy, myself. But with the new Apple computers with Intel processors -- this might change me into an Apple person.
If Apple ever makes it so that I can run most of my windows-based applications/games/software on Mac OS, then I will take a good look into buying a Macintosh when it comes to buying my next computer.
I just realized something else, too:
>>Microsoft's stock is currently at: $28.00 per share
>>Apple's stock is currently at: $75.00 a share.
:) |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
17:13 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | >>>The Nano is T-H-I-N. I'm afraid it will shatter or something if I hold it the wrong way.<<<
It will. Be extremely careful, especially with the screen. Mac R&D actually knew about this factor before it was released, but released it anyway. That's why I'm happier with my (solid-metal cased) iRiver.
Still, that's pretty sweet, considering it cost 0$.
Re: The stock price. Apple is way smaller than Microsoft, which can have a direct influence on stock price. But they also have made several good executive decisions lately, namely, the Intel thing. They announced that at some Macworld convention a couple days ago, even though most people (nerds, at least) knew that, like, 6 MONTHS AGO. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
17:25 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I think Microsoft should go back to what they're best at, stealing stuff. Which means they should take an iPod, copy it, charge 33% less for it, and call it mSong. :) |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
18:07 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Are you a Mac person, or a "small-town" supporter like me? (i.e. Linux, Mozilla, ZT, etc. [The little guys]) |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
20:26 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Anything but iPod here... No offence to any iPod lover here but they're lacking features found in other players, loads of dumb and expensive accessories to buy to compensate for that and not the best value either. Nano does look neat but due to its size touch wheel is annoying as hell and having a color screen that size is pretty worthless anyway. Playable format support and lack of flashabilty suchs too, goes to say that Mr. Jobs indeed makes players obsolete so fast. Though, flash storage capacity is pretty nice, probably the only good thing I can say about it. Congrats on winning though.
And coming to speak of small players - MobiBLU Cube
This is what I have atm, beats all else I tried in a while. :)
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
21:39 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Nice. I agree with Z on basically everything as always.
*Sidenote - It took Apple 4 months to get my iPod mini replaced. 3 of those days were spent in fixing and delivery. Just goes to show how amazingly much apple cares... *cough for themselves *cough*. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 30 Jan 2006
22:27 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, just making a point here. I seriosuly don't know why Apple still calls iPod innovative as it has only been that a long time ago. And wosrt thing is that fanboys believe all that stuff. That's kinda funny. I'm not trying to start a flame war, so don't get mad. :) Point is that iPod hardly makes its money worth, like iPod Video, would have been a nice player but apple being proprietary and all decided not to put avi support, bam *this* many customers less to buy one. Now folks who download divx/xvid stuff online would have to reencode into mpeg4 to view them on their iPod. Creative Labs player, being a ripoff of iPod as its UI indicated does cost less and offer huge format support list and more features. And the whole touch pad thing make it not very pocket firiendly unless you always remember to put on hold.
Jees, sorry for all this guys. This whole Apple + IPod business just got me started again. It's just everytime I see any Apple excitement I jump in to plug the hull breach. Reasons are obvious though... and I'm not a PC fanboy either, just showing that its not always best to have what everybody does but rather have a choice and find out something better than everybody has. And markerting PR are evil bastards. :$
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
06:34 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | In addition, every time Apple comes out with a new one,you have to buy a whole new one to get the new features. It's like Nintendo all over again, i.e. only one thing changes, but you can't just update them. That's why I find players with firmware infinitely superior to iPods, as when a new feature, e.g. video capabilities, comes out of their R&D, you can just go on the internet and download it (for free) and then send it to your player, as opposed to iPod, where, every time something new comes out, you have to spend $400 on a new one.
In fact, that's another thing, is price. I find that they are seriously overpriced for what they are, as you can buy a Palm pda for the same price, and although it has less memory, etc., it actually has functionability. This is once again proof that people buy what's "cool", no matter how much it costs, and they really don't care what the product is, so long as it gets them attention.
I don't mean to slam iPod specifically, as I could do the same for almost any player, but I find that this stuff is just true. :img15: |
stephendonnelly88
Dragoon
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
06:48 GMT
Total Posts: 97 | Well, I personally think iPod's speak for themselves. As do their sale's figures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:IPod_Sales_Graph.png
Just look at the Ipod Sales section in this article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod
The Ipod supports all the latest formats, including AAC, which will eventually replace the MP3 file (look up "AAC" on google for more info). Besides, Apple promises to continue offering firmware updates in the future to allow the ipod to play all the lastest formats. I can tell many of you guys really do not know that much about Ipods. They do use "firmware", and they DO support all the latest formats.
People vote with their dollars.At anyrate, the Ipod nano is nicer (albeit, more expensive, too) than any of the other flash-memory players on the market. The Ipod was one of the first MP3 players that took off on the market a few years ago.In addition, the entire back-side of the nano is made of steel, which allows for better cooling of the battery during charging.Besides, Apple is an American company. Creative is an Asian company. My dad lost his job do to some asian guy who was willing to work for dirt over in India. Thanks to that, my father has no retirment to look foward to. I will not buy any asian products if I can avoid doing so. I'd much rather even purchase European products before I'd go buy some asian product.It is nice to see an American company doing well these days.
[Edited by stephendonnelly88 on 31-Jan-06 15:55] |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
10:28 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, sale figures mean nothing. It's just marketing thing, really. Just because most people buy cheapest computers possible, for example, doesn't mean that they're good nor should be bought. You can also say that Mac computers are junk since most people buy PC...you see my point? Getting a free iPod is surely cool, anything free is good. Though, there are much better units on the market that don't require you to use iTunes or any of the Apple's proprietary stuff and for lesser price they sport more features and firmware upgradability. And Creative Labs players do have a better sound quality and higher quality earbuds bundled for $30 less than comparable iPod. New PMP's from Creative also play any movie format unlike iPod Video. So basically, what's the point of buying an iPod then? To look like everyone else? I fail to see your point.
Apple promoses for new formats never come true and they release new players rather than firmware upgrades. And no, they don't play all formats, audio format support is pretty decent but not video. Nano is probably the only cool looking player but its hookups are awkward and tough wheel too sensitive. I tried it and my friend had one and always complained about that. Screen on Nano is also very fragile and due to its thickness is also easy to damage. If the unit was half as long, maybe then it would have been decent to carry in a pocket. That's just my opinion, no intention to crap on your new player bud.
Oh, speaking of all that american, asian stuff, sorry to hear about that job loss but business is business. What counts are the products not who made them and where. It's like buying junky american cars just because of patriotic reasons, not a very good monetary investment...
[Edited by zkostik on 31-Jan-06 19:30]
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CoffmanRunner
Ultralisk
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
13:10 GMT
Total Posts: 235 | i hate apple but the 1 thing... the only thing apple has ever done right is the ipod video... 60g-$400 a lot of money but you can shrink wach video down to about half a gig that is 120 movies... i want one but generally mac=suckage!
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trackstar6053
Marine
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
13:13 GMT
Total Posts: 38 | I'll probly kick myslef later for this, but I am a Huge fan of aplle stuff.
This is my story and why i love apple:
We used to have 2 computers, an older one and a newer one, and running windows xp. My dad was always useing the new one and my siblings and i fought over who could use the Older one to play games and do homework ect. Just aaround the time when things got really bad apple opened a store in the local mall, (one of 2 in ohio) and my dad happended to visit it. he saw the new mac mini, for only 399 dollars on same, and boucht it, gicing the old dusty monitor in the back of our basement a use. the mac mini is smaller than most of my tect books (for its official sixe go to apple.com) and was pretty sweet, it had every thing you could expect from the big windows tower, in somthing smaller than a lunchbox. DVD burning, lots of memory, USB 2 Graphics card. supreeme sound, and all that other stuff. I thought it was kindof cool, but i contuenued useing the Windows.
This was very unfortunite b/c one saturday morning i woke up to play RON or AOE or something, and the windows machine emediatly crashed, ardware failure. Everything that i had ever don on it was gone. all of my music, photos, and schol work was forever erased, but half of it wasmy fault for not backing it up. So i spent the rest of the weekend morning noon and night on the pnone with microsoft and dell support, telling me that i sould have made a copy of windows bla bla bla. So. I had to pay like 50 bucks to get a new "special versions of windows" that wouldn't crash. i waited a week and spent the next weekeend installing it. (it took for ever) so i started backing up my computer, and my mav, i grew more licking te mac mini, its features alstounded me, lightnig fast, not laggy like the other computer, who had far more memory and Ram. Especially on the internet. any way, to get to the end of this epic the other computer crashed again, so re installed it to find we had a faulty hard drive. we replaced it and found it wasnt th hard drive but the windows made vidio card. so for like 6 months all i could use was the little mac. because microsoft ws so slow at getting back to us. "the letter was lost in the mail" bla bla bla. so i used the mac so much i love it never had a problem with it, problly never will OS X sis so much better than xp if u use it you'll never go back. Im on the mac now and have been sinse i joined this forum, (our windows computer crashed again) I also have an ipod mini (the old outdateed black and white kind) and i love it. Apple offers upgrades to it, so i Can get all the funtionallity of the new ones, just in black in white, b/c u cant upgrade that. the Ipods work alot more smothly with Macs FYI.
THE END
o ya and mac OS 10 and below sucks( smells if you prefer)
go macs!
(you can start hating me now) |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
15:03 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Okay, firstly, regarding the audio compatibility of iPod, it doesn't support WMA, which, albeit old and big compared to mp3, has superior sound quality, and is probably the most common file format.
RE: The Mac vs. Dell thing
There is nothing wrong with Dell, and I find them quite good, a perfect mix between price and power. The reason your computer crashed was probably becasue of Windows, and therefore, it is Microsoft to blame. I have nothing wrong with that type of argument, and I agree that Microsoft has made several mistakes in the last few years, namely, Windows XP. Personally, I'm going to wait for Longhorn (codenae for next gen. of Windows), and if it is as bad as XP, I'll convert to Linux.
@trackstar6053: Yes, I agree, Mac OS <10 do suck, but >10 are actually really good. |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
15:16 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | shortest post yet!!!!!!!!
sorry... I just had to interupt....
Apple may not be the best..... but the nano + video are still pretty cool!!!
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
15:34 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, I wouldn't say video is cool but Nano sure is. As with windows, it depends on the user, I don't have any problems with it and neither do most people who have some computer skill.
When I speak of PC, I generally mean custom self built unit as from experience it's the only way to get a good stable rig that is exactly what one wants. If you know what you're doing you can build a very good pc which will be as powerful as a dual g5 for less money. As with quad g5, that's posible too but will cost more so it just depends what you need to run on it. As with Dell, their rigs are generally low quality. I always build my own rigs and get Dells to fix at my job. Thier gaming units are not too bad, parts are decent but hell, they run Intel chips. Why? Amd X2's or FX's are much better and cheaper too... Oh well... Again, I guess it all comes down to what one needs done really. While I don't like Macs there are some things they're good for so it all depends (gaming is not one of these reasons).
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jessef
Goliath
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
15:34 GMT
Total Posts: 192 | just because a company is american it doesn't mean that their stuff is made in the usa. I think that most electronics are manufacutred in aisa where labor is cheep. even if it says "made in usa" they could do all the electronics in aisa an stuff it in a case in the US(I think). |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
17:46 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Yes, "made in the USA" can mean anything. For example, many boardshirt companies say "made in the USA", but the t-shirts come from a sweatshop-like factory in Asia, but they plaster the 10-cent label on the front, and claim it's American (and they then sell it for 6 times what it's worth).
@zkostik: I agree, except that, unfortunately, I am not the computer-building type (more the computer disassembling type). There's no emoticon to expresss how evil I feel right now.
@everyone: Check out this gaming PC. Aside from the price, this has got to be the best. (According to MaximumPC, it is.)
[Edited by ryantmer on 01-Feb-06 02:47] |
stephendonnelly88
Dragoon
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
19:46 GMT
Total Posts: 97 | Well, Some good points were made, and I stand corrected concerning them, but.......
a few things:
The Ipod is, mechanicaly/functionaly speaking, rather durable. Check this out: It's rather insane: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/3
They ran the thing over with a car, and it STILL worked! Of course, I'd be getting an entirely new unit by that point.....
Get this: I bought a Product Replacement Plan from Best Buy (the college bookstore worked this all out for me). The planh allows me to get a new Ipod if the battery fails to hold an adequate charge. This a REPLACEMENT plan, NOT a Service-Plan. And, it's good for two years from today. This is good given that I've heard many people tell me that their Ipod's battery was toast after 8 months of heavy, but reasonable use.
And, I know the plan is not a "scam" because I know people who have doing the excat same thing, and Best Buy lived up to their end of the deal.:)
[Edited by stephendonnelly88 on 01-Feb-06 04:53] |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 31 Jan 2006
21:09 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Except that that is Best Buy, not Apple. Although, Best Buy's deals with warranty, etc. are really good. My is ter bought a laptop there last year, and it had a replacement guarantee of three years, and if anyting went wrong, or if she just wanted it cleaned, they would do it for free. Pretty sweet.
However, regarding the tests on that site, keep in mind that a PMP sans screen is about as useful as a car without a steering. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
10:40 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | to stephen: this is a pretty wild test you've dug up on a Nano. Though, from personal experience they must have been lucky with their particular unit as I've seen people bring in Nano with damaged screens all the time. I'm guessing because the unit is pretty thin, its easy to press on it from the bottom and end up with a damaged screen. Nonetheless, pretty crazy that their unit sustain such a mad damage, reminds me of the Casio G-Shock watch testin kind of thing. :)
to ryan: Falcon NW is not too bad, but again horribly overprices. That's why so many people build their own rigs these days. On a high-end rig, you'd be saving a few grand by building your own puter. Of course, if you don't know how to build one it's a different story but this kind of savings would make me learn how to do it if I was you.
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Nintendork
Probe
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
12:40 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | I just have a shuffle. I'm happy with it :grin: |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
18:02 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | zkostik mentioned a G-shock...
I have a baby-G.... I've abused the thing...played hackysack..baseball...spiked it on the concrete...
it is still working after five years!!!....
the only thing i have against Apple is their .99cents per song
yeah it's cheap... but it adds up like crazy unless you have a friend that lets you steal their music... If you fill up the memory..... that's a lot of $$$ :img18:
[Edited by zedd on 02-Feb-06 03:04]
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
18:16 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | I retrieve my music by other means than iTunes, unless I absolutely have to. Which is, in essence, never. |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
18:21 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Yeah, I'm a CD person, not with the whole downloading thing, even if it is legal (which is rare). At least that way you know it's legit. Except then you can get into counterfeiting. Oh, god, that could go on forever. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
18:47 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Same here, I'm also a CD person. iTunes and generally most of online music is crap. You pay as much as the per-song cost on a CD but you get lousy quality and DRM to deal with. And iTunes stuff you can't even put on anything but iPod and can't redownload songs. I mean what the heck is that? $1 a song is waaaay too much for a digital copy, you get lower quality than orignal, no cover art and to burn on cd (if you want to) you'd have to buy those too. Unless they give full quality music I would never buy it online. DRM is also a pita but poor quality is generally my biggest concern, its just being too proprietary and you have to get special this and special that to play them. Dunno about you guys, but this whole online music busiess is just a big ripoff.
Btw Ryan, I can't wait for Rosenrot album to come out in USA. Reise Reise was awesome, as most of Rammstein stuff. I don't wanna pay a premium for imported album so I guess we shall wait. Do you have the imported version already? If you do, please let me know if it's good.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
19:19 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | @zkostik: hmm... that's odd. I bought it in Canada at a music store just recently. It should be out everywhere. If you do buy it, though, go for the limited edition, because it has three of their live music videos. Also, yes the tracks are great, their best one yet, imo.
Also, yes DRM is annoying, but some CDs are okay. An example being "All the right reasons" by Nickelback. It's got its own program that it opens when you insert it in to a CD-ROM drive, and from there you can copy the disc or rip them to your computer, but can't copy them once you've ripped them, so as to prevent you from "Limewire"-ing them. Speaking of which, I find that p2p is about the lowest form of file sharing, as you don't even know the person that you're getting a file from, and the file could present a risk to your computer.
[Edited by ryantmer on 02-Feb-06 04:20] |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 1 Feb 2006
20:04 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Yay Ryan, I just checked local stores and none had the cd. Amazon.com only have imported version for sale. Thanks for the info, I'm glad that guys keep up their uber high release quality.
Yeah, DRM is a huge pita. Though, anything you can play you can record. I have high quality audigy card so in the worst case I can loop SPDIF cable and directly record the output but what upsets me is all the trouble to go thru to do this. Luckily I have not needed to do this yet.
P2P doesn't bother me, just need to be careful of what you get and where. It's so much fun to do trace route on various IP's while downloading something from BT. Hehe. Though, if the stuff you dl is good and you use it, do buy the real thing. Artists to deserve the money for their work, especially if you like their product. That's how I go by at least, I hope other loaders do the same. Also, lets not go back to anything p2p related though.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 3 Feb 2006
06:38 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Yeah, as it turns out, I talked to one of my friends that is obsessed with R+, and the CD hasn't come out in the US at all, nor is there a set release date. For some reason, it's out everywhere, including Mexico, but no the US. Hmmm... |
stephendonnelly88
Dragoon
Posted: 3 Feb 2006
09:52 GMT
Total Posts: 97 | Condemn me for it, if you wish, but I've never paid a dime for my music.
I simply did a Google search on "free mp3 music", and actually was able to locate a site that offers 1 free mp3 download a day. I found a way to thwart the "system", and I can get about 5 or 6 free downloads a day.
And the quality is great! Most of the songs I've downloaded are at a bitrate of 192 or greater!
I have dial-up, so this is about all the downloads I have time for on any given day. So far, I have approxamately 151 songs.
The one catch: the website is COMLETELY in Russian, which I happen to know rather well (long story of how I learned it....). :)
Of course. If I had to, I could buy music online. I have my own creditcard now, so buying stuff online is not problem.
[Edited by stephendonnelly88 on 03-Feb-06 18:57] |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 3 Feb 2006
12:11 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Yeah, many download services on the web offer like 5-10 free songs and stuff. You could just sign up, get your trial songs and cancel. Many people do this to get free internet service and tv. Too much hassle for me though..
Yes, there are tons of russian and german site where you can download stuff, not a legal way of getting things though. The way I see it is if you like the stuff, buy it. :)
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zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 3 Feb 2006
15:51 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | THWART THE SYSTEM....
YAY...!!!!
I FOUND THE ADMINISTOR PASSWORD AND LOGIN.... SO IF I GO O THE GUIDANCE COMPUTERS.... I COULD CHANGE MY GRADE... THEN AGAIN.... WHO HAS THE TIME TO CONSTANTLY LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER...?
ahh freakn' capslock was on.
I "steal" my music from my friends' computer.. put them on a jump drive.... and put them in movie maker.... save as.... done done..!!
I converted with a free 30-day trial thing.... it worked for 29 days... I wish i could find a way to get around those types of things...
[Edited by zedd on 04-Feb-06 00:56]
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 3 Feb 2006
17:22 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | There probably is an easy way, it just requires some programming knowledge. |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 3 Feb 2006
19:17 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Some of them are easy, you can just open the application extentions with Notepad and change a number or two, but only simple programs. |
stephendonnelly88
Dragoon
Posted: 4 Feb 2006
12:53 GMT
Total Posts: 97 | I'd post the link to the site from which I get all these free downloads, but.......
1) On a very rare occassion, this speficic websote has put up some rather *indecent* (not too terrible, though) banner-adds. I don't want to get myself in trouble by posting a link to a site that may offend certain people. I myself, am deeply offended by pornographic material, and thus, avoid using this website when they are displaying such content.
2) If I post a link to it, and everyone races over to get free MP3 files, the russian webmaster might get smart, and make it impossible to exploit the "free-trial system". Right now, the free-trial system requires NO important information (like credit card numbers, etc.) to begin using.
3) If downloading free MP3's makes me a "pirate", then this website is my very own "treasure-chest" of MP3 files. So, I say, "FYOF", or "Find Your Own Files". :) |
zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 4 Feb 2006
19:03 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum....
how do you even learn how to get basic programming skills....
with out the help of personnal instructors or $$...
are you guys self taught or someone helped you??
if it's possible... can i learn those types of things from one of you??
BASIC stuff..you know...not calc stuff but computer stuff....
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 4 Feb 2006
19:08 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Umm zedd, there are all kinds of tutorials all over the web. Google should be your best friends when it comes to pretty much any sort of question you may have. Seriously...
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zedd
Ultralisk
Posted: 6 Feb 2006
18:09 GMT
Total Posts: 428 | but are you self taught??? what do you recommend??
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 6 Feb 2006
20:23 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | I personally recommend the O'reilly books, they have some awesome books on almost all programming languages ever invented and are a reasoneable price. I'm a link! |
jessef
Goliath
Posted: 6 Feb 2006
20:37 GMT
Total Posts: 192 | I learned in school. I think it is nice at first to have some one to got to that can help you and fix your problems (that is mostly what my teacher did). then eventually you know enough about programing that a bit of docs is all you need. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 6 Feb 2006
21:46 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Yep, O'reilly books are very nice for beginners and pros alike. Other thing would be to look at people's code, see how it works, see if its crap (and it often is) while trying to figure out how to make it better and more efficient. Once you have some basic know-how, try to think up of some small project and then do your best to bring it to life (with or w/t books). That's about it, you know we're here and will do our best to help you out. You owe it to yourself to take the initiative.
I'm guessing most folks here are self-taught. That way most people learn better (not all, of course) and at their own pace if this applies. But like lunchbox suggested, getting an O'reilley book and start following it and do the samples and stuff would be a good start.
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