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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
11:38 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | This copy of a letter I sent to <a href=http://education.ti.com target="_blank">TI</a> pretty much covers everything. If you have any thought...infomation on if the teacher can do this...resources I can goto..court cases I can refer to...laws..anything Please discuss. However...please don't flame the teacher, TI, or anything else...it only takes up space...if your gonna flame...do it in my forum...not this one. Act civilizied.
Copy Sent to ti-cares@ti.com:
Hello! I am wondering if you could help me find out some information.
I am a student enrolled In an Advanced Algebra B Class in my high school. I own a TI-83 Plus (A great Calculator, by the way), and the school also owns many classroom sets. A few days ago my teacher said I couldn’t tell fellow students to use the Math Solver, and I Stopped when requested.
Today, during math, but not during an instruction period, while I was backing up a few of my programs on another students calculator (both calculators were privately Owned) by teacher took them both. My teacher then proceeded to delete all programs and apps and all information on my calculator, without my permission or consent, or even a warning. None of the program were math programs, so there was no cheating involved. However, some of the programs were unique, and my calculator contained reports that I typed using my TI-keyboard; the reports were not backed up on anything else. My teacher cited “Math Department Policy,” but when I requested a copy, he denied it. He had no proof, only probable cause that I was doing something wrong.
My question is that does my math teacher have the right to inspect the calculator in the first place. And if he does, can he delete everything on the calculator? I figured that since you made them you might know something about the legal issues surrounding this. Thank you for your help and time in this matter.
-Nikky Southerland
hickgame@earthlink.net
[Edited by allynfolksjr on 24-Oct-03 20:39] |
calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
14:15 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Well, because you are a minor, he does. Untill you hit 18-it's his right.
But it shouldn't be.
I feel for you, I really do . . . .
f**k your math teacher!!!!!!
[Edited by calculatorfreakCG on 24-Oct-03 23:16] |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
16:24 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | You're really e-mailing to the completely wrong person. I would bet millions that TI a) won't care b) if they do care, they don't have any power to change anything.
Taking it to Court (civil court it would be) would be ridiculous, the damage from the data lost is most likely very small. The best way to handle this would be to send a letter (or even this letter) to your principal, while there definately won't be any way to get your data back, it could help you set a precedent, and maybe prevent future incidents. Also, having parents call the principal helps, because often the administration doesn't have the time/resources/desire to deal with individual students.
And althought I don't think the teacher was right, i can see reasons he would want to. |
spiral
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
16:29 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | Our calculus teacher was once talking about how to do certain things (forgot exactly what) and not clear all our "physics formulas." Our physics teacher talked about calculus formulas, and how she would clear our calculators, but the AP test doesn't, so she doesn't.
If you don't want your calculator to be clearable in the future, use Mirage and block memory menu from access. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
16:54 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Spiral...I used Omnicalc's memory access blocker (it blocks the del key and the reset section), somehow, the teacher got the department head to bypass the hook..I'm mailing TI beccause they would know (maybe) what laws would apply...besides...it's a start.. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
16:57 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | calcfreak...you mentioned that since I'm a minor...they can do that...could you elaberate please? |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
17:14 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | All I have to say is tough luck, man. That's why keeping a backup is important, in case something like this happens. With your math policy thing, what exactly does it say? If your teacher is with holding that information from you, go to the head of the math department or talk with the principle and get it from them. (Or if there's a copy on your school web site, check it there.)
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zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 24 Oct 2003
19:11 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | High/Middle school teacheras can delete everyhting on your calculator if they think/suspect it may be involved in cheating. Besides, they wouldn't know what your programs contatin and taking everyone's work for it wouldn't work either. Anyways, they have every right to clear your calcculator memory if they have a reason for that, yet they do not have to explain to you why they did so. No one would like this and I personally hated this when it did happen, though, we have no control over it. As bullfrog said, keep a backup of your stuff and if you have something important on your calc, don't get it our during the class.
I don't think that really has anything to do with being a minor but it definitely does with school level you're in. In college your professor will most likely not care what you have on your calc, and even if he does care he has no right to erase your memory but he can definitely have your put your calc away during his class. You'll just have to live with this.
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 25 Oct 2003
08:12 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Well, your under 18, aren't you, since your still in High School.
That means that you don't have that many rights.
Now, get MirageOS and block the menu from acess-hahahah, that f**king teacher won't know what the heck hit him!!!!!
Your math teacher sucks. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 25 Oct 2003
11:48 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Heres something i got from a law firm:
He could be sued (or you could at least threaten to do so) in small claims or in regular court for the lost value--unless you were not supposed to be linking etc. If you were at fault you will not likely win in our opinion even though he deleted the information.
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My teacher never said linking was bad...be only stated sharing "how to use the math solver" was not allowed...and in class we use the link port all the time...
OH, did i tell you the teacher is a pervert? He hates guys.. (like me)...the girl i was sending the stuff too didn't even get talked too.. |
calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 25 Oct 2003
12:17 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Maybe he is . . . . . .
I was sending stuff to my friend, Robbie, in class, and the teacher stole my calc for the rest of the day. She had no right to do that!
I stole it back from her at the end of class and flicked her off. :)
[Edited by calculatorfreakCG on 25-Oct-03 21:17] |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 25 Oct 2003
17:15 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | if i didn't talk the the teacher after class he'd keep it over the weekend... |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 25 Oct 2003
17:25 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | that's what happened to my mp3 player once. and guess what, i wasn't surprised that batteries were dead when i got it back next monday. darnit! what really sucks is that teachers do have rights to take your stuff if they think it disrupts the class in some way. you can go to main office or something like that and request a copy of school policies. most likely, you'll find a rule that answers this issue. it'd be cool to sue a teacher for being biased or discrimination but you'd need a better proof than just words.
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 25 Oct 2003
17:31 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I'd be great to get the rules..but guess what? After the teacher said it was against math department policy and i asked for a copy of the policy...he said, get this, that there wasn't a written one! SO I'm supposed to KNOW...the policy? Am i supposed to guess?? We link all the time in class...but no...I can't link just because I'm smarter than my teacher...and i know how to use the calculator more than the teacher...he whipes it... |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 26 Oct 2003
09:00 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | There's got to be a written policy, otherwise there is no support for his actions. Math dept. may not have their own policy, but general school policy should exist in your school and should be available upon your request. If this policy is not available in written format and in other words not being conveyed to students, then I think you have every right to sue this teacher since he did not know for sure what data he erased and is not backed up by any policy that prevents you from what you were doing. If your school has a written policy (and it must!), then you have a right to see it since its applied to you.
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 26 Oct 2003
12:35 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Tell your teacher that you're mad that he deleted your games-see what he says. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 26 Oct 2003
16:09 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Appearentally there is NO policy written, heres the complete written policy for calculators "Calculators are useful tools in mathematics, not toys. They are not for playing games, and classtime is not for playing games on calculators" (Sic). But the stragne thing is how did he know that I wasn't linking for math relateed purposes? And i wasn't playing games...i never do in class...(really, thats the truth)... |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 26 Oct 2003
16:28 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Exactly, plaing assumtions are not good enough and you SHOULD convey that to him. You could have been keeping the class noted on your calc, what you know? I fail to understand why many teachers think that all people do on calcs is play games and keep cheats. If they do not know thay calcs can be used for other activity such as studying for their own class, then you should tell them that. I've had a talk about this to several of my teachers, some listened some not but at least I stood for my right, especially when THEY were wrong. If you don't do anything they'd just think that you WERE doing something you shouldn't have since you're just keeping it quiet. I personally don't think that anyone has rights to press on me when I'm not doing anything wrong. We have our freedom in this country and we should stand for it.
You may also want to tell your teacher that if they do not have a written policy then students have no way to know and refer to appropriate list of rules and thus teachers can't do whatever they want with student's private things w/t a warning or any reasonable notification that would tell them they're doing something they shouldn't. When I was in high school I always were excercising my freedom, especially in cases when I was right. I think everyone should be able to do so.
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 26 Oct 2003
16:38 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | I tried to say that to him, and tomorrow I'll make that clear. I lost a speech that I typed using my keyboard because of his undiscriminating deleations...but the really good part is I'm taking a law class and our teacher knows about this kind of stuff...so I'll be able to get something. all of my other teachers didn't care if we linked, when the teachers wern't talking at the time...
Like all i do is cheat and play games...you want to know what games I had on my calcuator at the time? All of the ones I have made and tetris...and I never play tetris...and i just modify the games on my own time...
But the big problem that I just realizied is that I lost my kryptolo encryption key...the other claculator it was on was the other one that got whiped...so now i have a whole bouch of programs and documents that i made that are 256-bit encrypted with no decryption key... |
calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 26 Oct 2003
18:20 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | ohhh, thats bad man, really bad. |
calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 4 Nov 2003
12:50 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Mr.WoodallThis is a pic of my retarded principle. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 4 Nov 2003
19:44 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | he doesn't look retarded...though, he does look like all principals do. they all look kinda similar as if there are princial look guidelines or something. lol
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BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 4 Nov 2003
20:59 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | Hehe, same here. My principle is old, balding, with a grey moustache. Not to mention he's short...
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 5 Nov 2003
06:16 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | But, he does nothing, the real person who does anything is the Vice Principal, Ms. Barsi. |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 5 Nov 2003
08:50 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | My new principal at my old high school got his head shaved during a rally. No joke, we got our test scores high enough. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 5 Nov 2003
11:02 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | well, that's normal. principal just accepts or declines things thrown at him by others. in my school vice principal was far more useful than princial too. :)
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spiral
Wraith
Posted: 5 Nov 2003
18:54 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | our school's principal mostly just makes really boring announcements and tries to improve our school. Overall he's not too bad. |
calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 5 Nov 2003
20:05 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | Ours did a disgusting dance during a pep rally. He'd kind of fat (fatter than the pic), so it looked really nasty. *shouder* :) |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 5 Nov 2003
21:06 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | Oh man, that must've been cruel and unusual punishment.
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calculatorfreakCG
Wraith
Posted: 7 Nov 2003
06:33 GMT
Total Posts: 739 | I know, really, it was. :) :) |
