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Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
07:42 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | I'm tired of being looked down upon, I've programmed in TI-BASIC for 3 years now, and I'm being talked down to and looked down upon like I have no clue what I'm doing! Almost every time I post a snippit of code and a question about this code, someone is quicker to point out the fact that my code isn't optimized and that I don't have any idea what I'm doing. These people never answer my question, just tell me that I'm a n00b. Well I feel that if this is a general consenses towards newbies then it's no wonder other people don't recognize us as a "real" community. If every new person to industry was treated as a complete and total ignoant fool, this person might as well leave. Now I've tried to ignore this, I've tried to push through this, and I've made headway. But I personally know some people that are furious at some others in this community of ours. When all this escalates to a point of people being furious at each other over a snippit of code then somewhere warning bells SHOULD be going off. But have there been any? If there have been we've been ignoring them and moving on. People should not force their codeing style on others, if code isn't optimized, will it really kill you to let it go? If the current trend continues then we and only we can be held responsible for losing the next Kévin Ouellet or the next Patrick Davidson. Great programmers are thrown our way all the time and we are so busy to make them feel worthless and foolish, rather than help them out and help them take their project as far as it can go. I find it disturbing that we are not a symbotic relationship to ourselves, we are a parasite sucking the life out of it's own body. Granted the effects will be slow and go rightfully unknoticed for a long time. But the time will come when the TI community will die out, maybe it's not to late, maybe we can return to the days when we where using and sharing hacks to play ASM games on our 85s. Maybe, just maybe the next big step won't have to be taken by the new programmers, but the established vetrans.
-Fred Sparks
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BASIC flames are for n00bs, you don't want to be a n00b do you? | My other calc is a Porsche. |
TI Freak
Probe
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
08:33 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Well written! I understand what you are saying, and I hope that I haven't done this. If I have, I appologize. |
Kevin
Guardian
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
10:14 GMT
Total Posts: 1390 | Nice article. That's one reason why I left United TI. Also I hate when I post a TI-BASIC help topic and people say me to learn asm instead of helping me to optimize a program.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
12:54 GMT
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Edit | Nice. It's so true. Look at the new Kirby game: I've never even heard of the author, but it is an amazing game.
Of course, that's why I DON'T post code. :)
Actually, a good deal of the excellent programmers only hang out in the community, they do little themselves. It's up to everyone else to pick up the slack and amaze 'em. |
Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
14:53 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | No... None of you have dose this. Mostly this has happened in TI-Calc.org and United-TI... Although it does happen alot on your chatroom on irc and #tcpa on irc...
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BASIC flames are for n00bs, you don't want to be a n00b do you? | My other calc is a Porsche. |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
15:01 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Well, that's another reason why we're better than ticalc.org.
By the way, I don't understand your sig. Am I supposed to? :)
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Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
15:04 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | nah... it's a philisophical thing and means nothing really... plus I'm going to change it.
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BASIC flames are for n00bs, you don't want to be a n00b do you? | My other calc is a Porsche. |
zkostik
Carrier
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
16:02 GMT
Total Posts: 2486 | Well, maybe that's why we should have separate Basic and Asm sections so that this doesn't happen anymore. If this happens however, we should try to take some action to prevent it from happening again. I can create a few forum sections to clearly designate basic and asm questions, I think that would not have asm people end up in basic section, though, usually people who make such remarks about learning asm instead of optimizing basic usually don't know how to program asm or even both languages and shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're determined to get something done, don't listen to these people and wait for someone to answer your question. You can always report problems and off-topic brawls to admins and mods to make sure our forum stays friendly and hopefully helpful. Nice passage btw XX!
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Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
16:05 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | Thank you Z... The best revelations always come in the dead of night. Also I was thinking... If a great programmer was here, and got discouraged how would we know? Great idea about the BASIC and ASM forums... but what about a general complaint forum?
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BASIC flames are for n00bs, you don't want to be a n00b do you? | My other calc is a Porsche. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 28 Feb 2005
17:37 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | That's what the general forum is for, I believe. And I apologize if I am one of the ones on the list. |
Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 1 Mar 2005
14:55 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | Once again... Almost no one HERE is at fault... so don't worry.
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BASIC flames are for n00bs, you don't want to be a n00b do you? | My other calc is a Porsche. |
