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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
10:24 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Yeah, a good amount of people know about it already. I just thought there should be an actual discussion on it, though. For those who don't know, the Ti-NSpire is the next graphing calculator to be made, and almost undoubtedly the best one by far. If you don't believe me, here's enough about it to make a good number of people crap in their pants. What's more is that it's meant to be used for pre-algebra through calculus (I think), making it possibly the first 68k calculator to be allowed with the SAT.
There's a lot more about it in that link, too. The future looks bright…
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
10:43 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | back in my day... we had TI-85's and liked it! |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
10:46 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Well times have changed, old man!
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
12:10 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Yeah, I saw this on a German site a while ago, looks pretty sweet. |
im_an_alien
Marine
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
12:45 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | 320x240?
20MB?
Anyone know how many shades of grayscale this thing has?
My only dislike about this calculator is it's extremely non-game friendly layout :( |
ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
13:17 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Well, keep in mind a lot of people have said things like that about a lot of consoles, and they managed. Besides, it is a calculator, not a gaming platform. |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
14:18 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | When it's 6 times the speed of an 89 Titanium, it'll definitely have amazing games for it.
Alien: If you meant the kinda-crowded screen layout, assembly programs take full control of the whole thing, not just one section.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
15:02 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | I think he meant key layout. |
Nintendork
Probe
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
15:08 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Yeah, but what will it cost? 250? |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
15:59 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | The website says pricing should be similar to that of the Ti-89 Titanium.
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Liebe ist Krieg
Wraith
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
18:32 GMT
Total Posts: 542 | cool. i'll buy one take it apart, and see if i can reassemble.
lets see how fast it takes for games to come out for this one. what language do you think it will use for BASIC?
[Edited by Liebe ist Krieg on 04-Sep-06 04:34]
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
20:23 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Generally, BASIC is used as BASIC, just like C is used for C. But I do what you mean, and looking at it, it will probably still have BASIC support (possible some type of emulator?), but the main language will probably be whatever the 89/89T uses (C?). |
im_an_alien
Marine
Posted: 3 Sep 2006
21:09 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | Yes, I meant the key layout, with the directional buttons in the middle instead of on one side.
So does anyone know how many shades of grayscale it has? |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 4 Sep 2006
05:52 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | I see like 5 in the screenshots, if you count black and white. Remember that grayscale hasn't been built in before now. So, if it is indeed built in, tons-o-levels-o-grayscale could accomplished manually.
Ya know why I like the key layout? You can hold it sideways to play games :grin:.
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Liebe ist Krieg
Wraith
Posted: 4 Sep 2006
09:05 GMT
Total Posts: 542 | you can do that with a ti84 or 89, you just have to change the language. i was actually thinking about making a game that was sideways. freaky.
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calcul831415
Marine
Posted: 4 Sep 2006
10:42 GMT
Total Posts: 33 | Is it confirmed that it's a 68k calc? I heard a while back that they were going to put a weaker ARM processor in it, but I guess it was a false rumor then.
Also, if it's so powerful, couldn't people just program in the functions that are banned from SAT and standardized tests? |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 4 Sep 2006
11:11 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | It's strange……Not long ago, I distinctly remember reading about it having a 68k processor, but now I can't find it anywhere.
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LHoT10820
Marine
Posted: 4 Sep 2006
12:13 GMT
Total Posts: 28 | That's amazing! And... ... ... ... I still have my recipiete for my 89t, if it's even within $50 I'll have it, oh and I think thats an okay layout, it looks like an old paddle controller for like atari. If I'm the first one on CG with on of those, I will freak out so bad. |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 4 Sep 2006
18:33 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | I'll beat you to it.
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Liebe ist Krieg
Wraith
Posted: 5 Sep 2006
18:19 GMT
Total Posts: 542 | i went to frys and i bought it today. its awsome. i win.
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LHoT10820
Marine
Posted: 5 Sep 2006
18:29 GMT
Total Posts: 28 | Wait? I thought it said something about only through Canadian dealers... oh well, *checks to see if there is a frys nearby... there is! ^_^* How much was it, I've still got the recipiete(sp?) and original packaging of my 89t. |
Liebe ist Krieg
Wraith
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
04:14 GMT
Total Posts: 542 | NO. joke. i havent bought it yet. dont jump the guns yet boys... but i will get one... be warned
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im_an_alien
Marine
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
13:10 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | > Remember that grayscale hasn't been built in before now
I thought the 89 had grayscale
I still don't like the centered arrow keys :( |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
13:46 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Nah. Grayscale was possible to simulate, but there's no way keep it shaded halfway (aren't the pixels' on/off state stored as boolean?).
If you hate the arrow keys so much, it would be interesting to experiment with other stuff. Like, maybe the two left-side-topmost keys could be up and down, and something else could be side to side……?
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threefingeredguy
Ghost
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
14:17 GMT
Total Posts: 1189 | The pixels are stored as bits in memory. One byte is 8 pixels. If in the group of 8 pixels, only the farthest right one is on, then the byte is 1 (00000001b). If the 2nd from the right is on, the number is 2 (00000010b). The 89 switches quickly between on and off to do grayscale.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
14:32 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | It'll take up a chunk of the memory on the Nspire…
Ryantmer's probably gonna have the best shot at getting it first, seeing how he lives in Canada.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
14:46 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Except ryantmer is $1000 in debt. Not including the camera. ryantmer will probably not be the first to buy it. :/ I hate money. (Namely because i don't have any xD.) |
IANTHEGENIUS
Probe
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
18:00 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Holy crap! I'm still in algebra 1 so i dont need that, but seriously, thats like awesome, it says it has grayscale. i wann know how uch it'll cost |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
19:22 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Algebra is included as one of the classes it's supposed to be for.
Titanium-like pricing, as said earlier in the topic.
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Liebe ist Krieg
Wraith
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
19:31 GMT
Total Posts: 542 | i think it will be worth it, cuz when you get into higher up math, you wont have to buy a better calc... YOU HAVE IT!
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
19:44 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | And how!
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 6 Sep 2006
21:25 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | Oh, similar pricing to the Titanium? I should be okay, I figured it would be far more expensive... |
calcul831415
Marine
Posted: 7 Sep 2006
15:44 GMT
Total Posts: 33 | would built in greyscale mean that the calc has built in memory mapped areas that are being flipped for visibility on the screen? |
threefingeredguy
Ghost
Posted: 8 Sep 2006
06:44 GMT
Total Posts: 1189 | Either that or it would store them in a way that indicates to the LCD driver to give each pixel a certain amount of voltage. That's how gameboys do it.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 9 Sep 2006
08:27 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Well, the people at 1-800-TI-CARES won't say anything about it. All they would tell me was that information would be on their website (wow, who knew?). The annoying thing about it all is that the website referred users to the telephone number for purchasing info…
The website has changed a bit, though. Instead of "Fall of 2006", it now says it will be available in 2007 (still only to select Canadian dealers). I can't find any other updates.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 9 Mar 2007
00:01 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Ok, here's what I've gathered from ti-nspire.com:
•Everything in the Nspire family definitely has built-in grayscale (a first)
•The calcs will be exceedingly fast.
•The Nspire should be able to be used on all tests open to an 84+SE
•The CAS (Computer Algebra System) won't be allowed for as many things.
•They've said absolutely nothing about programming.
•TI's even worse with Flash than I previously thought. :D
•The Nspire and CAS will probably be compatible with all games made for them.
•The Nspire's keypad is interchangeable with one from the 83+/84 family. Supposedly, the Nspire operates as a TI-84+ (why not a SE?) in most all ways when the 84+ keypad is in.
I'm a bit skeptical about the 84+ mode. Even if TI is able to get assembly things to run (possible address issues), would they really artificially slow it down? Simulated grayscale might not work well in 84+ mode, either. It's not too likely that the full extent of an 84+'s memory will be there.
Also, TI's made a really bad decision with trying to sell a computer version of the Nspire. I mean, won't they release a free SDK anyway? Even if they don't, emulators will come.
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threefingeredguy
Ghost
Posted: 9 Mar 2007
05:02 GMT
Total Posts: 1189 | I'm sure someone will eventually release a better version of the 84+ mode and make TI hang their heads in shame.
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 9 Mar 2007
15:22 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | I wonder if it's an emulation or if it partially runs from the keypad. I hope it's the second one, since that would allow for all the other calcs (besides the 92, 92+, or Voyage 200) to run on the Nspire. That would be pretty bad if it just automatically switched, though; it would allow for no improvements by the TI community...
Did you see how big the pixels were on the 84+ during the demo? I couldn't really tell.
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 12 Mar 2007
21:55 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Sign me up for one of these bad boys. Once I get my hands on it, I'm going to delve back into programming head-on and develop some mad crazy games for it. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 12 Mar 2007
23:00 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | We'll hold you to that. |
tifreak8x
Administrator
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
05:55 GMT
Total Posts: 419 | I too am going to get one as soon as possible. Will be a nice addition to my already massive list of calcs... ^_^
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allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
12:03 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | You only have 8 billion as it is! |
tifreak8x
Administrator
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
12:18 GMT
Total Posts: 419 | lol, so? There isn't anything wrong with that... :P
As of today, though, I do own an 84+SE, and a TI-81. Bwhahaha. That makes...
*tifreak8x counts on his fingers, takes off his shoes and continues counting...
18 calcs :P
One of them will be used for the next TIFW contest though, so I only have 17...
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haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
12:40 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Are you missing anything besides a Voyage 200?
If I ever get an Nspire, it'll be after I sell my 89 and extra 83+. After I finish Pitfall!, I don't think I'll start (or finish) any other BASIC projects. Instead, I'll prepare for making big things on the Nspire when it comes out.
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ryantmer
Wraith
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
17:52 GMT
Total Posts: 692 | I'm thinking the only reason I'd buy this would be for actual math...
*GSAP* NO!
Yes, sadly, it is true. Also, I'm back after a rather long absence (not that it was really apparent). I have learned much in this last month. Even better, I now have a steady relationship going with the girl of my dreams ^^ |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
17:58 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | You're the first person I think would get the CAS over the Nspire. Do you have money?
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Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
20:12 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Haveacalc, I love your picture. I just got it after having it in my peripheral vision for an hour. Did you do it on a flipbook? |
haveacalc
Guardian
Posted: 13 Mar 2007
20:32 GMT
Total Posts: 1111 | Hmm... I should have. I ended up just scanning a page's worth of 120x80 frames, though, like this.
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