| Author | Comment |
WCM2010
Dragoon
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
10:21 GMT
Total Posts: 95 | Yep I said it. This is a debate over whether or not Microsoft Windows Xp products have good securty or not. Me and Jc had this disaggreement today on yahoo.He wanted me to open it to the good debating people here at calcgames.So here is where we left off
wcm20102004: hey
jcchip@snet.net: hi
wcm20102004: I just got Nortan Internet security
wcm20102004: my dad burrowed it
wcm20102004: but the key wont work to activate it so I have 15 days it says
jcchip@snet.net: so? That has to be the worst antivirus I know of.
wcm20102004: WHAT
jcchip@snet.net: it doesn't recognhize anything dangerous and slows your computer
wcm20102004: I have been using nortan before it is the best
jcchip@snet.net: get adaware, spybot search and destroy
wcm20102004: um... nope
jcchip@snet.net: all free
jcchip@snet.net: all work great
jcchip@snet.net: and instead of using IE, you should use firefox
wcm20102004: NO!!!! spybot mess up my uncle's computer and it was reported on G4TV's AOTS it is a trojan horse
jcchip@snet.net: you obvously don't know whatt Spybot: Search and Destroy is.
wcm20102004: IE is ok FF is not required and some things wont work with it so I dont use it
wcm20102004: I do it messes up pcs
wcm20102004: Nortan is the best
jcchip@snet.net: yeah, but you get 50% fewer popups with firefox
jcchip@snet.net: and you can block any banner ad
wcm20102004: I get no popups on my computer
wcm20102004: Thanks to SP2's pop up blocker , yahoo pop up blocker
jcchip@snet.net: SP2?
jcchip@snet.net: oh
wcm20102004: Service Pack 2
jcchip@snet.net: that will work
wcm20102004: yep
jcchip@snet.net: ewwwwwwwwwwwww
wcm20102004: what
jcchip@snet.net: that would totally screw up my computer
wcm20102004: what whould
jcchip@snet.net: SP2
wcm20102004: why
wcm20102004: dont you have Windows Xp
jcchip@snet.net: would kill my broadband
wcm20102004: oh why
jcchip@snet.net: my network would shut down
wcm20102004: !!! why
jcchip@snet.net: microsoft is stupid, that's why
jcchip@snet.net: all incompatable
wcm20102004: wow you hate Microsoft huh
wcm20102004: then use a mac!
jcchip@snet.net: NO!
wcm20102004: then you couldnt do almost anything
jcchip@snet.net: that's... well,
jcchip@snet.net: you have a small point
wcm20102004: yep
jcchip@snet.net: at least I wouldn't get virii
jcchip@snet.net: who designs a mac virus, anyways?
jcchip@snet.net: if it was good, you'd infect about 10 people
wcm20102004: yea
wcm20102004: well Microsoft has done great things in the past Ex: XBOX , Windows XP Service Pack2 , and need I say more
jcchip@snet.net: I laugh at all of that
wcm20102004: why
jcchip@snet.net: xbox is a horrible excuse for a game system
jcchip@snet.net: XP is incredibly buggy
wcm20102004:
jcchip@snet.net: Service Pack 2 has severe problems with networks
wcm20102004: Xbox = greatest console ever
jcchip@snet.net: uhhhhh, no
jcchip@snet.net: SNES is
wcm20102004: Windows XP= no errors unless the user dose something stupid
jcchip@snet.net: OMG, you couldn't have said that
wcm20102004: Service Pack 2: Nope I have a friend who has a network and no errors
jcchip@snet.net: yeah, sure
wcm20102004: those are my points
jcchip@snet.net: XP has huge security issues
wcm20102004: yea but SP2 fixes it
wcm20102004: and Nortan fixes it too (for S
jcchip@snet.net: you don't understand
wcm20102004: P1 I used nortan and I had everything ok
jcchip@snet.net: imagine, if you will, microsoft's security codes as a series of locks
wcm20102004: ok
jcchip@snet.net: now, instead of giving each computer separate locks, they all use the same ones
jcchip@snet.net: so if you can hack your own comp
jcchip@snet.net: you can hack someone elses
wcm20102004: Windows dont do that
wcm20102004: plus Nortan and SP2 blocks Viruses
jcchip@snet.net: uh, yeah
wcm20102004: and yahoo Anti SpyWare blocks spyware (use it if you dont its good)
wcm20102004: yea what
jcchip@snet.net: I was being sarcastic
wcm20102004: oh
wcm20102004: ok
jcchip@snet.net: I DARE you to post your opinions on CalcGames.org
wcm20102004: ok
wcm20102004: I will
jcchip@snet.net: send me the URL of the topic, too
wcm20102004: ok
wcm20102004: hey you ant angry are you
jcchip@snet.net: not angry, mostly hysterical
wcm20102004: good
jcchip@snet.net: microsoft doesn't care about security...
wcm20102004: well....
jcchip@snet.net: they just want to make a few bucks
jcchip@snet.net: they won't fail, either
wcm20102004: they only do for the people's money
wcm20102004: but it works
jcchip@snet.net: do you know about longhorn/vista?
wcm20102004: Yes
wcm20102004: I do
jcchip@snet.net: it's been hacked already
jcchip@snet.net: the testing versions have been hacked
wcm20102004: wow
wcm20102004: well it was a pre version
jcchip@snet.net: yeah, but they had already finished the security parts
wcm20102004: wow
jcchip@snet.net: I guess it's back to works
wcm20102004: i am keeping Windows Xp SP2 if they csnt get Vistsa to work
So everyone and I and Jc may continue this debate.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
10:27 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | The only thing that I don't entirely mean is the Xbox comment. I'm sure that all the xbox fans have their own reasons for it, but I don't like its games, so that's just me. Just personal opinion. |
WCM2010
Dragoon
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
10:31 GMT
Total Posts: 95 | jcchip@snet.net: everyone knows that microsoft XP has huge security loopholes
jcchip@snet.net: and frankly, you don't have anything to get rid of virii decently
jcchip@snet.net: AdAware would be your best bet
jcchip@snet.net: google seach and download it
wcm20102004: Nope what I use it great enough
jcchip@snet.net: uh huh
wcm20102004: yea yea
^update^ and I kno some people like and some people hate Xbox but thats for a differnt debate
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korkow
Ultralisk
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
10:51 GMT
Total Posts: 465 | adaware SE plus (the version you pay for) is VERY GOOD. It's "live", so no annoying scans, although you can run them. And Spybot is also great. It gets rid of just about everything. Sorry WMC, but I would agree with JC. I use Win2k though, and I have NO clue about winXP stuff |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
10:53 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | So uh, what position do you have WCM2010? |
WCM2010
Dragoon
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
11:17 GMT
Total Posts: 95 | @allyn: What do you mean by position?
@korkow: Then maybe I was thinking of something other than Spybot sorry
Those are just my oppinions
Edit: Please spell just a tiny bit better next time wcm
[Edited by Lunchbox on 24-Oct-05 07:02]
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RuneScape FTW but calcs were my first love O_o |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
11:18 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | I do have AdAware SE Plus... it works very well and was definitely worth it.
Basically, he says that Microsoft XP is secure, Norton Antivirus is the best antivirus software ever, SpyBot: Search and Destroy is a trojan virus, Service Pack 2 doesn't have problems, etc. I'm against all that. |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
11:51 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | Oh, XP could be secure, you'd just have to unplug the windows bootdrive from the computer and stick it in a safe. But as for antivirus, you only need that if you're not vigilant in the first place. I used McAffe, but since a virus never showed up, I just switched to AVG, which serves my purposes well. SpyBot: S&D is not a virus, I use it, but I like AdAware, but again, a vigilant user will never get spyware. (I run it every few months, and get like 8 tracking cookies).
About SP2, my first install of that screwed something up and I had to boot in safe mode to roll back the install, so I got scared and didn't upgrade. A few months later, I tried again and it worked. Oddly enough, but makes sense with Windows. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
22:04 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | I have McAfee live protection, which is great at stopping things that dl themselves onto your computer , spybot and ad-aware which basically find everything bad, if you get all the updates, and I use firefox, wehich kicks ie's @$$.
BTW wcm, Jc basically trumped you in that argument. Your points are more based on rare occurances stemming from self-observations and wishful thinking. What jc said is basically common knowledge for most computer-savvy people. Not to say you aren't, but basically, the general computer community would back Jc in this argument. As do I.
[Edited by Lunchbox on 24-Oct-05 07:08] |
allynfolksjr
Administrator
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
22:11 GMT
Total Posts: 1892 | No, you mean that Opera kicks FireFox. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 23 Oct 2005
22:14 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | No, not really :) . |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
11:20 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | Of course Opera kicks Firefox. That why Opera has, umm, about 15 Million downloads (right side, scroll down a little) and Firefox has over 100 Million downloads.See?
Of course it, uhh, kicks Firefox.
As for Windows Security, I'll say that it has improved over the past year or two. I will admit I've been ticked at Microsoft more than once because of their lack of interest in security, though. I used to help my dad at his work a few years ago and whenever I installed a Windows OS on one of the computers there the first thing he had me do was download every single stinkin' update there was for it, install the security applications they had there and set up Internet Explorer for maximum security. And they still contracted viruses and other things! It was rather frustrating at times...
Edit: Found an Opera download counter. Only made a guess before.
[Edited by BullFrog on 24-Oct-05 20:25]
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
14:39 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Obviously, if you didn't have to pay for opera.... it'd be downloaded more. FF works fine for me.
>>>the general computer community would back Jc in this argument<<<
Exactly why I had him post this. And I'm mostly an idiot when dealing with computers. |
WCM2010
Dragoon
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
14:50 GMT
Total Posts: 95 | Look the reason why I have said what I said is because I dont get much errors on my pc. Sure you guys whuold back Jc up maybe because you knew him more than you did me or because you might think I am a n00b at pcs (which I am not) or I am wrong at what I am saying.
I never tried Oper or Fire Fox.
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RuneScape FTW but calcs were my first love O_o |
WCM2010
Dragoon
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
15:07 GMT
Total Posts: 95 | Please some one close this topic
Its getting stupid
Me and Jc has already stoped debating so please close this
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RuneScape FTW but calcs were my first love O_o |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
20:46 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | You're just on the wrong side of the debate. You see, Microsoft is the "big guy" out there and everyone decides to blame them for their problems. It's what usually happens in the world with other things as well.
Just a tip: if you're going to support Microsoft, you might want to do it person to person, not in public.
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"Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds." -Franklin D. Roosevelt |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
21:04 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Why would you start a topic about a discussion and then ask us to close it after only a few arguments have been made? Just FYI, we're not supporting Jc because we like him better or anything, personally, I just flat out agree with him and his side of the debate. |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 24 Oct 2005
23:02 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | I think he realizes that he's on the losing side. I imagine that's why he wants the topic closed... There's no one else here that seems to support his side.
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JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 25 Oct 2005
05:18 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | BF: You are totally correct. We live in a society that blames others for problems, so we just pin stuff on the big guys who lawsuit every competetor out of the business. Frankly, however, they haven't really done anything I'd deem totally wonderful, and seeing as how my old computer bit the big one, I would keep my distrust. (For no reason, I had immense slowdown and shutdown problems.)
WCM, you don't seem to understand that people aren't rallying behind me, just giving their own opinions. Everyone has had their microsoft horror stories.
Speaking of which, I happened to see my school's public channel the other day on my uncle's television (I don't have anything but crappy satellite.) It had a blue screen of death... I almost died laughing. |
jet1891
Probe
Posted: 26 Oct 2005
15:55 GMT
Total Posts: 6 | Who stayed up to see the sox game? |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 26 Oct 2005
16:18 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | You just absolutely killed this topic. I won't delete your post, because it made me laugh so much. Next time, though, be at least a little bit on topic please, or start a new one.
Edit: Okay, I've deleted your identical post in another non-related topic. Please, please please, if you would like to discuss the world series, make a separate topic!
[Edited by JcCorp on 27-Oct-05 01:23] |
Xero Xcape
Marine
Posted: 26 Oct 2005
16:27 GMT
Total Posts: 29 | want to hear my Microsoft horror story... 1 simple name Windows 98... I still back 95d (as the safest windows that can easly connect to the net) but Win98 and above (with the exception of 2000 server) don't even need internet to bork! Hell I had Win98 on an asolated PC and it'd get 2-3 bluscreens a day! hell WinXP is horrible because of the following -
1) Windows is a graphical DISK OPERATING SYSTEM this means that it's all off your disks! Now you maight ask why is this bad, but you see it loads EVERYTHING from some sort of disk, when you move your mouse fast enough your HD clicks into action!
2) Windows XP is a Disk Operating System supported OS w/out the DOS to back it up, it's like having walls, celings, windows, and doors but no floor!
3) WinXP can be hacked in more than 1,000,000,000 published ways! And not all hacks are published! As for NORTON... well if you know your way around a firewall built to withstand virui from the late 90's then you can get into almost any NORTON protected PC
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spiral
Wraith
Posted: 27 Oct 2005
18:14 GMT
Total Posts: 958 | First off, let me clear this up, Ad-aware and/or Spybot is not a replacement for Norton (or other anti-virus). Ad-aware and Spybot both clean up spyware and trojans, not viruses.
Norton does an ok job, but reviews and people have stated kaspersky is the best, Zonealarm also has as good anti-virus suite. Norton is quite wasteful in that it takes up a lot of space, runs fairly slow (for example, open up logs, it is snail slooow). There are also several very good free anti-virus software, in fact I uninstalled Norton.
Any claims that Microsoft is unconcerned with security is crap. They have to sell their product and their current reputation is quite poor, however, you can see all the security patches that mark an effort to fix that.
Xero Xcape, do you have ANY idea what crap you are talking about?
1) Pretty much all operating systems are loaded off disks or some type of storage. Yes, even macs load everything off the disk. If your hard drive is loading when you move your mouse either you have something loading in the background or your computer is out of memory and it's using hard drive space as virutal ram. Also, once the operating system and data is loaded, most operations are conducted with the RAM, not the disk.
2) You have no clue what you're talking about again. Disk operating system is a generic term for operating systems that manage data with storage. DOS is just one type of operating system. DOS is not needed for a disk operating system, or else there wouldn't be unix, osx, etc.
3) and 99% of statistics are made up on the spot, you have basis. A firewall does not keep out viruses specifically, it blocks ports, viruses can still easily enter; thus anti-virus.
That's pretty sad you got 2-3 BSOD on win98 a day. I could go days with none. But XP is far more stable, I've gone 30 days repeatedly without restarting my desktop. You love to put Windows down, but apparently you have no idea how an OS works or any other OS besides windows. |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 27 Oct 2005
22:20 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | I would have to go with Spiral on this one. |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 28 Oct 2005
11:19 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | Indeed. He seems to have proven his point quite well.
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jessef
Goliath
Posted: 28 Oct 2005
11:29 GMT
Total Posts: 192 | yes but what is his point other than mirosoft is not quite as bad as other people have said? |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 28 Oct 2005
20:19 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Read his post, it contains his point within it... |
WCM2010
Dragoon
Posted: 29 Oct 2005
09:10 GMT
Total Posts: 95 | *sorry for not posting I like reading other posts*
Ok. I have been looking at the other posts and I see spiral has a perfect point!
Microsoft isnt the best at security but it dose do the job their might be others out their that dose the same job or a better job or even a worse job than Microsoft.
I do use Internet Explorer 6 ; Windows Xp SP2 ; Norton Internet Security 2005 and I use Yahoo Toolbar which has anti spyware but this topic is about Microsoft not yahoo.
All of those I have listed works ok.
Now before I got my Xp I had Me and I thought Xp was bad because of what people said welll My comp broke down almost every 3 weeks even if I am not on the internet and I had to restore everything all the time. Well now with my Xp that dosent happen so that shows that microsoft dose care a little because of Xp has gotten so much better than the past and I think some people here can aggree with me.
And all I had on that Me (that was secruity) was yahoo anti spyware.
So maybe my old Me broke down due to my lack of security but that shows the diffrance of me having an Me and no secruity except for anti spy and now having a Xp with only Nortan ; the SP2 stuff ; and Yahoo and getting no breakdowns. One reason I still stick on the side of Microsoft.
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RuneScape FTW but calcs were my first love O_o |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 29 Oct 2005
14:12 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Ummm... yahoo isn't anti-spyware, it just blocks pop-ups. |
banjo2E
Wraith
Posted: 29 Oct 2005
16:04 GMT
Total Posts: 689 | I was reading the above stuff, and spiral has a good point but let me make mine.
If you do not connect to the internet with XP it will lock you out until you call a (not)toll free number to register with Microsoft and get a code to get back in. Also, a reliable source, a fellow programmer with a lot of experience, says that as soon as XP talks to the internet it gives your whole disk contents to Microsoft, putting your life in Microsoft's hands basically, and gets about five million viruses. I use 98 so I wouldn't know but I think that's all a load of crap.
Cool suprise ending, huh? :lol_a:
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ryan mahler
Probe
Posted: 31 Oct 2005
20:15 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | But, honestly, whenever any new technology comes out, chances are that someone will (if they haven't already) find a way past any type of security system. This is why we shouldn't be spending time and money on systems and programs that make the internet less unsafe, but instead on stopping people from making it unsafe in the first place. Could you image how great it would be being able to just go on the internet without worrying about somebody stealing your personal information? (And not having to do those annoying (and time-consuming) updates for your anti-viral protection.) In that sense, hackers, etc. are like a virus (no offense to those out there who enjoy some simple hacking in a non-dangerous way like me). To use a comparaison, we should stop making as many antiviruses, and start trying to get rid of the virus altogether. Anyway... that's Ryan's rant of the day...
[Edited by ryan mahler on 01-Nov-05 05:21] |
BullFrog
Wraith
Posted: 1 Nov 2005
06:41 GMT
Total Posts: 623 | What's this? Remove the source of the problem instead of trying to battle it on all fronts? Why, that's insane! Imagine all of the money the anti-virus companies would lose!
I actually agree with that idea, though. I mean, it's the same concept in the medical field. You don't give a patient things to treat the symptoms of a disease and do so for the rest of their life. You find the source of the problem and remove it as best you can. (Of course, there are those problems that can't be removed...) Still, it's the most logical way to do things. In my opinion, anyway.
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"Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds." -Franklin D. Roosevelt |
jessef
Goliath
Posted: 1 Nov 2005
10:17 GMT
Total Posts: 192 | it almost seems like antivirus companys could make more money by making viruses. |
JcCorp
Probe
Posted: 1 Nov 2005
12:43 GMT
Total Posts:
Edit | Uh huh... in fact, I'm sure they actually develop some just to send out and so you have to buy upgrades. Some of them, at least. |
alex10819
Wraith
Posted: 1 Nov 2005
14:55 GMT
Total Posts: 507 | Microsoft... yuck...
the one thing microsoft did right, in my opinion, was Halo and microsoft anti-spyware (free)...
i have adaware, Spybot S&D, and Microsoft antispyware on my comp... i routinely run scans... microsoft antispyware picks up stuff nothing else does, but the same goes for the other products...
basically, its about knowing not to go to naughty necrophiliac sites... |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 1 Nov 2005
21:39 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | Necrophiliac sites? Gah, you have a sick mind alex! |
Digital
Guardian
Posted: 4 Nov 2005
10:05 GMT
Total Posts: 1051 | Microsoft bought Bungie before they had a chance to finish Halo, originally a Mac game. And thanks to them, we got it last. Oh and Microsoft Security is the best oxymoron today. |
alex10819
Wraith
Posted: 4 Nov 2005
21:24 GMT
Total Posts: 507 | L: take note i said NOT to go to such sites... |
Lunchbox
Carrier
Posted: 5 Nov 2005
11:13 GMT
Total Posts: 2007 | I did take note, but my mind has a tendency to wander at times in case you can't tell. |
